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To: Kolokotronis; Free Baptist; kosta50; NYer
Merry Christmas K!

There was no Latin Translation of either your NT or that of The Church in 160.

Actually, the Itala had to date from some time shortly after AD 160, because Tertullian, the first Father to write in Latin, quoted the scriptures from the Itala in the period AD 180-AD 220. The Itala was also the origin of the Psalm translation still used in the Latin Mass and Breviary.

I am unaware of any translation of any Scripture, whether it ultimately made it into the NT or not which was translated into any Eastern European language other than Greek in 125 AD.

When did Tatian make his Syraic/Aramaic Harmony of the Gospels? I think it was a little later than AD 125 (AD 160?), and that was the first. The Coptic and Latin followed somewhat later.

Who told you this stuff??????????? There has been a liturgical calendar in The Church since at the latest around 75-80 AD. Even the heretical "independant groups" had liturgical cycles.

One of the earliest surviving Latin parchments is a fragment of the proper chants and prayers for a Marian Mass that dates back to the 2nd Century AD. A Marian Mass is prima facie evidence of a Liturgical Calendar that already was beyond the simple beginnings of Sundays, Easter, and Pentecost, and now also included feasts for the Saints. This is also testified to in the Martyrdom of Polycarp (c. AD 155), where his disciples resolve to keep his day of Martyrdom as a liturgical feast in the Church.

423 posted on 12/21/2005 6:23:34 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Free Baptist; kosta50; NYer

Merry Christmas to you too, HC!

"Actually, the Itala had to date from some time shortly after AD 160, because Tertullian, the first Father to write in Latin, quoted the scriptures from the Itala in the period AD 180-AD 220. The Itala was also the origin of the Psalm translation still used in the Latin Mass and Breviary."

I think you may have misunderstood my point. There is no question that there were various writings around very early on which ultimately ended up as part of the NT which you and I use and even that used by the Protestants. What wasn't in existence was a discrete canon of the NT as we use it today.

"When did Tatian make his Syraic/Aramaic Harmony of the Gospels? I think it was a little later than AD 125 (AD 160?), and that was the first. The Coptic and Latin followed somewhat later."

Last I looked, Syriac/Aramaic were Semitic languages, not Eastern European, which was Free Baptist's assertion. :) I suspect the earliest translation of the NT into an "Eastern European language" was something done by Sts. Cyril and Methodios or their successors, who, as I recall, were sent out by The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and not some independant ecclesial assembly or group of vagantes roaming around the mountains and forests of Eastern Europe!


425 posted on 12/21/2005 6:52:56 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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