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To: Free Baptist; Kolokotronis
Constantine called for these bishops, but that was only the beginning of the formal system that we know today as the RCC.

Why then do secular Roman documents from the times of persecution before Constantine speak of the main body of Christians as an organized group, led by Bishops in every major city, with their head Bishop in Rome, and the second the Bishop in Alexandria? You are aware of legal rulings where property disputes among Christians were settled by the imperial authorities by granting the award to the group in communion with the Roman Bishop? Haven't you ever thought where Constantine came up with the idea of having recourse to Pope Sylvester's opinion onsome religious matters? Such as maybe, Roman legal precedent by his predecessors, the Emperors?

You know how Constantine knew about this group of Bishops? Because his mother, St. Helena, was an Orthodox Catholic, and that long before Constantine even converted himself or the Empire.

But biblically, it is wholly unnecessary to be be involved with it for us to have a walk with God.

Doesn't your Bible admonish you to "hear the Church" (St. Matthew 18?)

440 posted on 12/21/2005 12:17:22 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Doesn't your Bible admonish you to "hear the Church" (St. Matthew 18?)

Yes, in the matter of one person offending another, FIRST the offended party is to go directly to the alleged offender and state his case and seek reconciliation. The matter is settled there, and a brother is "gained," if the two are reconciled. That is preferred to taking the matter to the church.

If the alleged offender can't see that he is in the wrong, then the offended party is to take one or two others with him. This is also preferred to taking it to the church. Reconciliation is attempted.

The last resort is to take the matter before the church. It does not say "Roman Catholic Church." It does not say "Baptist Church." It does not say "Presbyterian Church," It does not say "Reformed Church." It says simply "the church." In fact, there is no designation before the word "church" in any such passage of Scripture.


445 posted on 12/22/2005 2:52:38 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"You know how Constantine knew about this group of Bishops? Because his mother, St. Helena, was an Orthodox Catholic, and that long before Constantine even converted himself or the Empire."

And these were the only bishops in existence, right? Even the title "bishop" does not designate the system, or what he may have believed. And in the same era were bishops (pastors) in various cities who would not have agreed to meet with any such council (Nicea) and went on as they had been serving the Lord, without hooking up to Constantine or Sylvester, or anyone else of like position. And many of these would have been men who held the doctrines of the Apostles, but saw no Scriptural warrant to organize in such a fashion.
446 posted on 12/22/2005 3:01:40 AM PST by Free Baptist
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