Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon
Brilliant. Where do I send my contibution to your run for Congress? What is it in the water of Washington DC that melts Republicans spines and Democrats brains? This should be done. Pity it will not happen. By time they get back from Christams break they will be on some other talking point.
That would only be if these SUSPECTED terrorist were citizens of the US. Otherwise the Bill of Rights does not come into play
Your arguments are familiar. You seem like you have been here before. Maybe by another name?
YES. That is the point I've been making THE WHOLE TIME.
I've never been here before.
How does the Bill of rights and the RICO statues jive? Bill of rights and the FISA?
another post that you may find interesting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1544146/posts
I take it that your take on the BOR, 4th Amendment specifically, is absolute?
If so, then you would have been one of those residing in coastal California cities during WWII that would have ignored blackout rules and insisted on your right to put Christmas Lights on your house.
Anyone doing that should expect that the law, or his truly patriotic neighbors, would rip your lights down, and if you insisted upon putting them back up, putting a .45 caliber hole in your head on the spot.
It is no different today. We are at war--some rights may be legally and constitutionally temporarily suspended. Anyone insisting on endagering the rest of us should expect to be hung by the neck until dead.
Don't they?
DUHHH...
If a policeman is driving his squad car down the street and hears a bank alarm going off, sees a running masked man carrying a bag trailing a cloud of dye pack smoke, and waving a 45 automatic in the air, he doesn't have to run to the court and get a warrant to catch the bastard.
Your desire to try Terrorism first in the courts will result in our death and defeat. Terrorism is not a civil violation of the law that can be defeated by subpoenas and lawsuits. Bullets and bombs are the only thing these scumbags understand and respect.
When some A$$-wipe U.S Citizen is on the phone with a foreign terrorist calling from overseas and Mr. "Citizen" says to Mr. Terrorist "I have the bomb materials you sent me in the basement..when do you want me to blow up that synagogue?", he is running down the street waiving a gun and carrying a bag trailing a cloud of dye pack smoke. He is no longer "presumed" to be innocent--he has submitted prima facia evidence of his guilt, forfeited his U.S. citizenship, and become a Foreign Agent. The gloves are off--or should be.
And anyone running interference for that bank robber to protect his "presumption of innocence" is guilty of the same crime, and should get the same punishment. Likewise with U.S. Senators and newspaper editors/reporters--hang them all.
I heard today on FOX that one of the MSM news mags, printed an article stating that the White House had asked a year ago for the NYT to please not print this story. I don't know why they decided to print the story a year later, perhaps because Bush's poll numbers were low enough that they thought they could get away with it! They're still trying to influence our elections.
If the White House ever asked me not to print a story because of national security issues, I would DEFINITELY forgo the story. I can't imagine.
BTW, does anyone, other than other reporters, really read the New York Times anymore? Just wondering, I haven't in years.
1. "You present no proof that the courts have sided with your quite unique interpretation."
http://newsbusters.org/node/3298
Discussing the earlier version of the statute. From the NYT.
2. "What is obvious is that an American citizen is an American citizen, regardless of assocation, unless their citizenship is forfeited or taken away. "
That nice, but there not a "United States Person," which is the protected class under the statute.
3. "And as long as they are a United States citizen, they cannot be wiretapped without a court warrant in accordance with subclause B of FISA."
Here, you and the Sixth Circuit (hardly a conservative court) part ways.
4. "And the world needs creative lawyer types to do things like sue fast food restaurants for "causing" obesity."
I'm a petroleum engineer and a geologist.
"If you check your history, it will become abundantly clear that during wars extraordinary powers are always given to the executive branch. Most Americans support this position."
That may have changed and perhaps the law should be changed to reflect this new opinion of the public. But we were also at war (Vietnam) during the round of abuses of spying on Americans that led the public to support taking that power away from the government.
If the government wants a new power or they want an old one back that was taken away they should ask the public to give it to them instead of just taking it.
LOLOL!!!
I would imagine. :) Tampering with the space-time continium--even for Santa!--takes some major energy! :)
Sorry, at this point, I have nothing wittier to add to this, but if I can think of something, I will post it. ;)
All the best, you "Meanie, faux-Santa" Texan. ;)
(btw, I lived in Austin for 6 months. Texans, and Southerners in general, IMO, are the friendliest people I've ever met).
Which, in English, means our safety is going to be compromised yet again.
I was lurking on this thread and enjoyed and learned a great deal just reading your posts and those of others. Thank you for your expertise and willingness to share it.
Thank you but all the excellent info came from other Freepers. :)
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