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Posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:05 AM PST by GSlob
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The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by a judge who imposed his own bias upon the will of those elected to run the schools.
Science is ordinarily backed up with facts... and if facts cannot incontrovertibly prove that evolution is the only possibility, then failure to present other theories is akin to censorship.
Too late. Active thread here:
What a piece of work this judge is.
I'm not surprised. Diappointed, but not surprised. The super-legislature strikes again, saving everyone from even the hint of God.
Sloppy typing. It is the defendants who have to evolve, not the plaintiffs.
"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by a judge who imposed his own bias upon the will of those elected to run the schools."
Pretty funny. That whole board has been replaced by the voters. Guess you're wrong.
Because ID is really about money.
How soon can we nominate Judge Jones for the Supreme Court? Tomorrow won't be soon enough...
Evidently they subscribe to a religion that teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels.
As a biology teacher, it is frustrating to be AFRAID to mention God/Creation/ID when you are discussing evolution. Many kids in my classes were very opposed to hearing about evolution, and they wanted to talk about what they believed. Of course, our entire curiculum was built around evolution as a foregone conclusion. But, I really felt (and still feel) that denying the teachers the freedom to allow other ideas to be discussed certainly IS a form of censorship. And I rarely utter that word since I think it is totally overused.
BTW I am a Christian, but I don't think we nec understand the creation story in the Bible as written, so the ideas in evolution aren't a hot button issue for me. I just honestly think that we have people who are literally trying to supress any other viewpoint. Where is the diversity?
The judges will eventually follow the cultural change, as they usually do. They only seem to like being out front when it comes to killing babies.
Thanks for that bit of common sense.
On the first day of class the teachers should put near the entrance a display consisting of a rock and some slime and a heat lamp and just title it "The First Human", never saying a word and just leave it there the whole year.
CAUTION: adult language.
Every once in awhile I do that.;)
I got kicked out of Catholic School because I said that "being Catholic" was not sufficient reason for voting for Kennedy....based on THEIR premise that a Catholic is a automatically a better person. I don't even want to talk about what they thought of Jews!! 1961
Look at the fine job the Federal Courts did improving local schools with their busing plans. This is more help from the same mindset.
Biology class......Let's raise Intelligent design to the ranking of a Philosophy class.
the school district should just ban the teaching of anything related to how the world, animals and people are thought to have come to be.
Never took a science class, did you?
It's refreshing to have it stated with such simple reason - The only folks that get hurt by mention of God and/or Creationism are those who make their living in the study of evolution. Hearing that not everyone buys it as a stand-alone theory damages nobody. Some would say it hurts our kids scientifically, but I fail to see how it makes kids stupid - if they want to pursue scientific careers, the knowledge of opposing viewpoints will not eat the scientific aptitude from their brains. My belief in God does not take my ability to use math or the scientific method away from me. Of course, I would not likely pursue evolution as a study, but that is not the scientific area that keeps us technologically competitive. It is more akin to the liberal arts in that it makes one feel happy to have the information, but is not a specific boon to Mankind.
The underlying assumption of the court seems to be that ID proponents are driven exclusively by faith, and that a scientific consideration by anyone with faith is not only impossible, but is an oxymoron.
I cannot say, because I am guilty, but as a scientist I believe ID is demonstrable.
I will bring up a previous post on the geologic record if you like.
Not according to the ToE....
The judge said the ID'ers have "bona fide and deeply held
beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavours", he did
not say ID is a bad idea...he just said he felt that the
school board was trying to inject religion, and had lied
about their intentions...
Doesn't the fact that people are in arms cuz their theory
is challenged tell you something?
What it tells me is that there are some deeply held beliefs
that are being challenged. Is it possible that you as a
teacher could talk about problems with evolutionary theory
without introducing any talk about (shudder!) the possibility
of a Creator(man or God, or alien)...
An interesting question....if mankind learns enough to be
able to "create" a life form, would it display any evidence
that it was created, or since "it" would have to run on
known physical laws, could someone who discovered the life
form, say in the unconnected future, proclaim it had evolved?
Another interesting question...could mankind evolve enough
such that life can be created by us? If so, does that prove
that life can be created, and doesn't HAVE to evolve by
Finally, could an alien entity, advanced in biological
technology have created life on this planet?
Darwin's Black Box should be required reading for this judge. But then he is probably incapable of understanding it.
There's only two possibilities.
Either life has always existed or it spontaneously generated.
Somehow "scientists" have picked one of the two as being rational.
To me they are both pretty incredible options. I pick the first one. God always existed.
When someone can show me an example of life sponteously generating I might consider changing my mind. Till then its not science its speculation.
The evos count on censorship!
And evolution isn't? Where will those grants come from?
I agree about you opinion of the creation story. It's so often criticized for being "inaccurate" but really, just how much info can be put into a couple chapters that deal with such a broad and complex topic. I think all in all it's a pretty good summary of what happened and has much more scientific support than a lot of scientists give it credit for.
Then who created the alien entity? And why haven't we intercepted any of these aliens old T.V. reruns in the SETI project. In the end there is one ultimate Creator and nothing was created except by Him.
You said:Doesn't the fact that people are in arms cuz their theory is challenged tell you something?
Yes, it does. The folks who want only evolution taught have certainly been up in arms over the mention of aything else. So, it does indeed tell me something.
Thanks for your post.
Unfortunately there are alot of subjects kids learn about where religion and religious belief do and SHOULD come up. Interestingly, our founding fathers (who I presume were way smarter than I) did not seem to have a problem with God in the public square.
If both science and religion are about 'truth', how can anyone expect to understand what is and isn't 'true' if we only get to hear one side of the story?
I see nothing wrong with teaching evolution in science and having a theology course to teach ID.
The former could dissect the mechanics of life while the latter expounded on the miracle of it.
Having one side trying to completely eradicate any mention of the other does students a HUGE disservice, IMHO!
Wallcrawler - Sorry, Igot caught in a conference call. Here is a previous post, excuse the vanity:
The polarization disturbs me as well, both as a Believer, and an oath-sworn scientist seeking the truth.
4,500+ million years ago there is light
3,500 million years ago - Precambrian (began), ooze, photosynthetic life appearing late
600 million years ago - Cambrian, explosion of marine life forms, huge variety
425 million years ago - Silurian, explosion of land life forms, first plants
405 million years ago - Devonian, first seed plants (in only 20 mil yr! We gardeners appreciate the difference), first amphibians
220 million years ago - Triassic, dinosaurs
181 million years ago - Jurassic, first flowering plants, birds
135 million years ago - Cretaceous, monocotyledons, oak and maple forests, Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rocky Mountains the extinction of the dinosaurs as a finale. The K/T discontinuity world-wide.
65 million years ago - Tertiary, 35 mil yrs Oligocene Epoch appearance of most moderen genera of mammals and monocotyledons
0.004 million years ago civilizations learn to write, all over the world at about the same time.
0.002 million years ago philosophy is advanced enough to describe the New Covenant in The best Greek of the New Testament, the Book of Hebrews, to Jews in Rome. Would that our society were as well read.
0.002 million years later Free Republic provides a forum, as the Nation Under God is bringing Liberty to the Cradle of Civilization and the birthplace of Abraham, the site of Daniel's vision of the Ancient of Days the repository of the treasures of the first Temple, the captivity of Israel.
Life on this earth, on this planet with a molten core, a magnetic field, plate tectonics ( understood in only our lifetimes), distributed continents and a single moon so large as to cause our oceans to breathe, has developed in the last seconds of the last minutes of the last hour of the clock of the firmament.
And yes, I am still stubborn and stiff-necked. And I have no right to be here, but for prevenient grace.
I don't think we nec understand the creation story in the Bible as written, so the ideas in evolution aren't a hot button issue for me. I just honestly think that we have people who are literally trying to supress any other viewpoint. Where is the diversity?
Biology class is for biology. Students should be taught science. Scientific theories make testable predictions about the world we live in. Science helps us understand our natural world as it is. Scientists use science to understand biology and disease, develop new treatments and to predict where the natural world is headed. In schools, students should be trained in scientific thinking to participate in this endeavor.
Understanding evolution is fundamental to science. Why do bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics? Why do viruses affect some species but not others? Why does sickle cell trait reduce likelihood of malaria infection and therefore become a selected trait?
Belief in a creator does not constitute scientific thinking and will not help solve biological problems in the world we inhabit. I have no objection to teaching creationism or ID or alien origins or ghosts or exorcism or any other fantastical explanation of the world- in homes, in church, or in a private retreat.
But please leave science classes to science.
If my statement is wrong, then no I have not.