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Poland gets caught in Russian-Ukraine gas battle
Radio Polonia ^ | 20.12.2005 | Slawek Szefs

Posted on 12/20/2005 9:19:49 AM PST by lizol

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To: x5452

The head of Ukraine's main gas company fled to Russia when Yushchenko took over. He ran the company while it was receiving UN Oil for Food vouchers from Saddam. Zhirinovsky, another Yushchenko foe also recieved oil vouchers.


81 posted on 12/20/2005 8:35:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That doesn't exempt Yuschenko and the Gas Princess. Just because thieves run away doesn't change the fact that it's because rival theives took power.


82 posted on 12/20/2005 8:40:56 PM PST by x5452
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Yanukovych was Kuchma's chosen successor. It's better for the US to have a change in regime so the rats running things before all flee the country. Yushchenko already has revealed that Kuchma sold missiles to China and Iran with Russian help.


83 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But meanwhile he's taking over the church with the secret service, and creating a false energy crisis so that Soros and his cronies can profit from it and use those fund to continue their propaganda empire, and give scholarships to liberals in East Europe who support Soros socialist ideal.

Russia is at least the enemy we KNOW.

Also as I've said before we should pay the Russians to sell their inferior technology to our enemies, they sold tons to iraq and it didn't help em a bit.

Finally a Pro-EU Ukraine is a contributor to the EU economy which already (although I'm convinced it's only by manipulating data) competes strongly with ours, we should be staking out East Europe ourselves or leaving the status quo not making the athiest-social empire that is the EU stronger in order to annoy a paper tiger.


84 posted on 12/20/2005 9:14:50 PM PST by x5452
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Explain again how Soros makes money from the gas crisis. Does he have Gazprom stock?

Ukraine joining the EU will not make the EU stronger. It will tax the EU welfare state immensely. It will dilute the power of the Paris-Brussels-Berlin Axis by shifting power to the East, to New Europe, and will sow the seeds for the EU's ultimate collapse.

85 posted on 12/20/2005 9:21:39 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Soros is aleady investing into oil equipment and has divested his investments in oil producers.

Still that's not how he makes the majority of his money his hedgefunds invest in currencies. An East Europe crisis means he can buy low, and when the crisis is resolved, since he's able to manipulate markets in Georgia, Ukraine, Latvia, and others, he will benefit from the recovery.

The colored revolutions all have one thing in common; the candidates are all funded by Soros and Soros NGOs. (This is why Russia is banning NGOs)


86 posted on 12/20/2005 9:32:51 PM PST by x5452
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The same NGO's are funded by the USA. Putin doesn't want groups like the National Endowment for Democracy ousting his cronies in Europe any more than he wants them to oust his good comrade Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

Chavez Accuses US of Meddling in Ukraine - MOSCOW (AP)--Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez seconded Russia on Saturday in accusing the West of meddling in Ukraine, saying that "the hand of Washington is obvious" in the crisis over the nation's disputed presidential election, the Interfax news agency reported.

"If there were elections on the moon or on Mars, America would be there too," Interfax quoted Chavez as saying.

87 posted on 12/20/2005 9:48:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: x5452
"Russia is banning NGOs"

And this is good in your opinion ?
88 posted on 12/20/2005 10:50:19 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The same people, who are saying that Yu. is in Soros' pocket are often on lefty forums saying that he is in Bush's pocket and on Russian/anti-American forums that he is American spy and a Jew.
89 posted on 12/20/2005 10:54:25 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: x5452; Red6
In Ukraine, Georgia, and Latvia Goerge Soros Open Society institute has energy and politics in their pocket.

Yes, Soros personally financed their longtime and numerous escapade to Iraq.

90 posted on 12/21/2005 8:49:40 AM PST by Lukasz
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To: x5452

Justin Raimondo form antiwar.com LOL


91 posted on 12/21/2005 8:51:58 AM PST by Lukasz
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So your saying Soros never picked a candidate?

KYIV, Mar. 2 (Ukrainian News) - Major international financier George Soros in a letter published by the Financial Times on Friday called on President Leonid Kuchma to step aside pending the outcome of an official investigation into the murder of journalist Georgy Gongadze.

State prosecutors ruled Gongadze’s death a murder this week after DNA tests showed a 99.9 percent probability that a headless body found in the outskirts of Kyiv last November belonged to the journalist.

The letter from Soros is the latest in high-profile appeals that Ukraine clean up its act with respect to democracy, the rule of law and press freedom.

In the message, the U.S. warns Ukraine that the financial aid that the U.S. has been doling out to the economically-strained ex-Soviet state since it gained independence was at risk due to repressive measures by Ukrainian authorities against democratic processes.

In his letter, entitled "Step Aside, Mr. Kuchma," Soros calls on Kuchma to hand over his duties to Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko while the investigation into Gongadze’s murder goes forward.


92 posted on 12/21/2005 9:15:01 AM PST by x5452
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You links proofs nothing and you know this

So you are saying that Soros personally financed their longtime and numerous escapade to Iraq??
93 posted on 12/21/2005 9:19:07 AM PST by Lukasz
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Well if he's a problem for you what about Ron Paul?

Statement on "Ukraine’s Election: Next Steps"
House International Relations Committee
7 December, 2004
Ron Paul, M.D., Member of Congress

Mr. Chairman: President Bush said last week that, "Any election (in Ukraine), if there is one, ought to be free from any foreign influence." I agree with the President wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, it seems that several U.S. government agencies saw things differently and sent U.S. taxpayer dollars into Ukraine in attempt to influence the outcome.

We do not know exactly how many millions - or tens of millions - of dollars the United States government spent on the presidential election in Ukraine. We do know that much of that money was targeted to assist one particular candidate, and that through a series of cut-out non-governmental organizations (NGOs) - both American and Ukrainian - millions of dollars ended up in support of the presidential candidate, Viktor Yushchenko.

Let me add that I do not think we should be supporting either of the candidates. While I am certainly no supporter of Viktor Yushchenko, I am not a supporter of his opponent, Viktor Yanukovich, either. Simply, it is none of our business who the Ukrainian people select to be their president. And, if they feel the vote was not fair, it is up to them to work it out.

How did this one-sided US funding in Ukraine come about? While I am afraid we may have seen only the tip of the iceberg, one part that we do know thus far is that the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House.

PAUCI then sent U.S. Government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Consider the Ukrainian NGO International Centre for Policy Studies. It is an organization funded by the U.S. Government through PAUCI, but on its website you will find that the front page in the English section features a prominent orange ribbon, the symbol of Yushchenko’s party and movement. Reading further on, we discover that this NGO was founded by George Soros’s Open Society Institute. And further on we can see that Viktor Yushchenko himself sits on the advisory board!

And this NGO is not the only one the U.S. government funds that is openly supportive of Viktor Yushchenko. The Western Ukraine Regional Training Center, as another example, features a prominent USAID logo on one side of its website’s front page and an orange ribbon of the candidate Yushchenko’s party and movement on the other. By their proximity, the message to Ukrainian readers is clear: the U.S. government supports Yushchenko.

The Center for Political and Law Reforms, another Ukrainian NGO funded by the U.S. government, features a link at the top of its website’s front page to Viktor Yushchenko’s personal website. Yushchenko’s picture is at the top of this US government funded website.

This May, the Virginia-based private management consultancy Development Associates, Inc., was awarded $100 million by the US government "for strengthening national legislatures and other deliberative bodies worldwide." According to the organization’s website, several million dollars from this went to Ukraine in advance of the elections.

As I have said, this may only be the tip of the iceberg. There may be many more such organizations involved in this twisted tale.

It is clear that a significant amount of U.S. taxpayer dollars went to support one candidate in Ukraine. Recall how most of us felt when it became known that the Chinese government was trying to funnel campaign funding to a U.S. presidential campaign. This foreign funding of American elections is rightly illegal. Yet, it appears that that is exactly what we are doing abroad. What we do not know, however, is just how much U.S. government money was spent to influence the outcome of the Ukrainian election.

Dozens of organizations are granted funds under the PAUCI program alone, and this is only one of many programs that funneled dollars into Ukraine. We do not know how many millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) sent to Ukraine through NED’s National Democratic Institute and International Republican Institute. Nor do we know how many other efforts, overt or covert, have been made to support one candidate over the other in Ukraine.

That is what I find so disturbing: there are so many cut-out organizations and sub-grantees that we have no idea how much U.S. government money was really spent on Ukraine, and most importantly how it was spent. Perhaps the several examples of blatant partisan support that we have been able to uncover are but an anomaly. I believe Congress and the American taxpayers have a right to know. I believe we urgently need an investigation by the Government Accounting Office into how much U.S. government money was spent in Ukraine and exactly how it was spent. I would hope very much for the support of Chairman Hyde, Chairman Lugar, Deputy Assistant Secretary Tefft, and my colleagues on the Committee in this request.

President Bush is absolutely correct: elections in Ukraine should be free of foreign influence. It is our job here and now to discover just how far we have violated this very important principle, and to cease any funding of political candidates or campaigns henceforth.


94 posted on 12/21/2005 9:24:04 AM PST by x5452
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Well if he's a problem for you what about Ron Paul?

He definitely has similar obsession like you. What a long list, impressing, maybe some proofs??

So you are saying that Soros personally financed their longtime and numerous escapade to Iraq??

95 posted on 12/21/2005 9:34:49 AM PST by Lukasz
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To: x5452

You are so desperate to express your feelings that you already posted quotes from neo-nazi site, antiwar.com, and other commie pro-Kremlin websites.


96 posted on 12/21/2005 9:37:47 AM PST by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Yushchenko sits on the Advisory board of ICPS
http://www.icps.kiev.ua/eng/about/supervisory_board.html

Also from their site:
ICPS was established in 1994 upon the initiative of the Open Society Institute.


97 posted on 12/21/2005 9:42:51 AM PST by x5452
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To: Lukasz

I'm saying their's massive evidence that he's both guilty of manipulating markets and also of taking money from Soros, as well as being on the board of a Soros front.

You're so desparate in hate of Russia you'll latch onto any socialist lackey Soros digs up.


98 posted on 12/21/2005 9:44:44 AM PST by x5452
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I see that you refuse to give me the answer to my question. So will not discuss with you too. See you tommorow.


99 posted on 12/21/2005 9:51:37 AM PST by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

I've already summarized the gas scandal involving Yuschenko and Tymoshenko. Further my point is that not only are they crooks but that they are Socialst Pro-EU George Soros croonies.


100 posted on 12/21/2005 9:59:49 AM PST by x5452
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