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To: nmh

You are full of so much b--- s---. You realize that. You insist on always misstating what Roman Catholics believe. We do not pray to Mary and other dead Saints. Jesus is mentioned a great deal in the Mass and in the prayers used by Catholic Chaplains. Your vile filth pollutes any discussion amongst religious matters, because Catholics are always the bad guy. Cut it out.


59 posted on 12/21/2005 9:03:35 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

I don't need to lower myself to ugly name calling as you are doing.

It is a FACT that Catholic pray TO Mary and other dead Saints. Does "praying the rosary" sound familiar? Catholics have a Saint to pray TO for practically everything. You know it and so do others so to feign indignation at this is a tad outrageous.

All of this praying to anyone but Christ, only serves as a distract away from Christ to whom you should be praying TO.

"Jesus is mentioned a great deal in the Mass and in the prayers used by Catholic Chaplains."

I'm glad to hear that His name is mentioned allot. Perhaps you will eventually rely on Him and pray only TO Him rather then the others you pray TO.

Perhaps you need to follow your own advice:

"Your vile filth pollutes any discussion amongst religious matters, because Catholics are always the bad guy. Cut it out."

Catholics aren't bad people ... it's what they believe and who they rely on and pray TO that is problematic - that is according to what God states in the Bible ... . It is not in agreement with the Bible.

Any other foul replies from you to me, will be ignored.


68 posted on 12/21/2005 9:37:15 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

That's certainly a very Christianly way of stating a disagreement. My husband is Catholic and I've been in churches where I've seen people kneel before statues of the virgin Mary and pray to her. And my mother-in-law has a little shrine to her in her kitchen. Now, I'm not familiar enough with Catholic practices to say whether or not these are common ones. But I've seen them.


69 posted on 12/21/2005 9:37:21 AM PST by twigs
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat; nmh
We do not pray to Mary and other dead Saints.

StAthanasius is right, in the sense that Mary and the saints are not dead, but are very much alive in the Lord. But that's a separate discussion/debate. If you take the words literally, however, it's not completely correct either. Catholic do pray to the saints. The word that is at issue here is "pray."

Many of the post-Luther non-Catholic Christians think that prayer is an act that should only be directed to God. In a sense, to them it is like latria, the adoration due only to God.

However, their idea/use of the word is too narrow. When Catholic pray to saints, we ask for a specific kind of intercession. Any grace or blessing that is obtained from this prayer is due to God's will. At the same time, credit is due to the saint who prayed for us in heaven. We give glory to God for utilizing this great blessing He alone has created for us. He alone created ALL of these examples of holiness. All credit is due to Him, but we do not take away from His glory by lauding His saints in heaven, who intercede for us.

106 posted on 12/22/2005 8:02:18 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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