Canadian court lifts ban on ‘swingers’ clubs (Group Sex OK in Canada!)

MSNBC & Reuters ^ | December 21, 2005

[Recovering_Democrat]

OTTAWA - Group sex among consenting adults is neither prostitution nor a threat to society, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Wednesday as it lifted a ban on so-called “swingers” clubs.

In a ruling that radically changes the way courts determine what poses a threat to the population, the top court threw out the conviction of a Montreal man who ran a club where members could have group sex in a private room behind locked doors.

[Physicist]

Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time. -- H.L. Mencken.

[Rutles4Ever]

This should pave the way for Canada to legalize polygamy as well.

[atomicpossum]

Yep, darn it, the government should be regulating who should have sex with whom. That's bedrock conservatism. [/sarcasm]

[TheGhostOfTomPaine]

This is bad news? I don't think either their government or ours has any business making behind-closed-doors-between-consenting-adults sexual practices illegal. (Nor, of course, do I think the government has any business "paying for treatment of your STDs contracted while engaging" in those practices, but this ruling doesn't say it should.)

[andy58-in-nh]

Fine with me: I always said they can go f*** themselves.

[Antoninus]

See, next is the government paying for treatment of your STDs contracted while engaging in government-sanctioned group sex.

Both liberals and liberal-tarians would no doubt agree with this decision. The big difference is who gets to pay for treating the STDs and other society-destroying consequences of such activities.

Liberals say, "the government will foot the bill."

Libertarians say, "no one. These people chose this path, let them pay for their own treatments. And no one is ultimately responsible for the damaged individuals, ruptured marriages, dysfunctional children, and general cultural malaise that spin-off from activities like this and wreak havoc across society."

Court decisions like this do not serve the general good of society. Indeed, quite the opposite.

I shudder when I think of what this world is going to be like for my children if we don't put a stop to this cr@p somehow.

[voletti]

Keep govt out of the private lives of adult citizens. As long the perps aren't breaking the law (like cooking meth for e.g.), its none of the Govt's business.

[Antoninus]

“Sex that is not indecent can transmit disease while indecent sex might not,” they ruled.

Clearly these judges have not taken a basic anatomy & physiology course.

[MagnoliaB]

Are 'swingers clubs' and 'swinging' illegal in the US? I am only asking because while watching the local channels recently due to weather news I had it on (puke) Okra's show and she had all these 'swingers' on. They were telling their stories about it and I am almost certain they were all Americans and doing it here.

According to Okra's show, there is no ban on it here in the USA.

[traviskicks]

Group sex among consenting adults is neither prostitution nor a threat to society, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Wednesday
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Uh... Well, of course, it is the government of Canada which is the threat to society, not the activities of a free people. Why is this ruling so earthshattering? Seems to me it is just common sense.





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[Antoninus]

Deviant and disgusting, but what consenting adults want to do in a private setting is their business.

How very "liberal-tarian" of you. So society has no interest in outlawing orgies? Where does it say in the Constitution that you have a civil right to have group sex?

[Antoninus]

Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time. -- H.L. Mencken.

So an orgy is your idea of a good time? I wonder if ol' H.L. would have approved of your use of his quote in this context....

[Antoninus]

Keep govt out of the private lives of adult citizens. As long the perps aren't breaking the law (like cooking meth for e.g.), its none of the Govt's business.

So you think that American citizens have a constitutional right to prostitutes, group sex, and sodomy, then?

[Sax]

Don't label me thank you.

Immoral does not equal illegal. Want that, move to the Middle East.

People are allowed to make bad choices, it's called free will.

Your line of think has no end and you could extrapolate that thought process out to see government types that will force you to exercise, make fast food illegal, limit how much time you can watch tv, or force you into a church or synagogue.

If you personally want to live a moral life, good. If someone else wants to lead an immoral life, that's their choice. I like having a choice.

[Salo]

Amendment 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Where in the Constitution does it say the government has the right to regulate who you have sex with?

[farlander]

It doesn't say in the constitution that anyone has the right to stop people for having group sex either. So it's a morality argument, and while I'm certainly not a moral relativist, I won't judge people on their sexual preferences among consenting adults.

[fanfan]

Well, of course, it is the government of Canada which is the threat to society

You're right.

On January 23rd. we will have a new government.

:-)

[traviskicks]

Where does it say in the Constitution that you have a civil right to have group sex?
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Well, where in the Constitution does it say you do NOT have a right to group sex? Where in there does it give government power to regulate the private lives of consenting individuals?

Some quotes from some founders:

Let the general government be reduced to foreign concerns only, and let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce, which the merchants will manage the better, the more they are left free to manage for themselves, and our general government may be reduced to a very simple organization, & a very unexpensive one; a few plain duties to be performed by a few servants.
- Thomas Jefferson


If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. <.> Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
- James Madison

Government, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
- George Washington

[proud_yank]

Can we send all our sex freaks and pedophiles up to canada, since they tolerate this sort of behaviour.

LOL! The land of Tolerance, until you say that you oppose such behavior!

[Gone GF]

"How very "liberal-tarian" of you. So society has no interest in outlawing orgies? Where does it say in the Constitution that you have a civil right to have group sex?"

I live in a state that still says I can go to jail for having oral sex with my wife. Do you really believe the state has any business making laws like that?