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Japan 'groper' dies after fleeing
BBC ^ | 21 Dec 2005 | BBC

Posted on 12/21/2005 4:30:43 PM PST by csvset

Japan 'groper' dies after fleeing

A Japanese man has died after being tackled by fellow train passengers who believed he had molested a woman during the morning rush hour.

The man fled the train at a station in the city of Osaka after a 20-year-old student accused him of groping her.

The 40-year-old was brought to the ground by four male passengers, who included at least one off-duty police officer. He died later in hospital.

Women-only carriages run on some trains in Japan because of groping complaints.

The college student accused the man of groping her on Tuesday, shortly after the train they were travelling in stopped at JR Tennoji Station in Osaka, Mainichi newspaper reported.

He ran away but was chased by four other passengers, who tackled him on the platform. "We are looking into the cause of death and details about how he was overpowered by the passengers," a police spokesman told the French news agency AFP.

Despite the introduction of penalties and women-only carriages, Tokyo police reported more than 2,000 groping incidents on the city's trains last year.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan
KEYWORDS: chikan; citizensinaction; fullnelson; grope; groper; japan; littlehelp; masher; pervert; tackle; thumping
He had a boob! Stop !

Later witnesses stated, " I never heard him say that he had a boob."

His wife claimed he was bi-polar and off of his meds. /s

1 posted on 12/21/2005 4:30:43 PM PST by csvset
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To: Liz

Pervert perishes post pileup!


2 posted on 12/21/2005 4:33:12 PM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

What happened...or perhaps I should say WHAT HAPPEN?

No, seriously, was one of those guys a sumo or something?


3 posted on 12/21/2005 4:34:36 PM PST by RichInOC (BUDDHA: YOU NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DOING.)
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To: csvset
Later witnesses stated, " I never heard him say that he had a boob."

Somebody set him up.

4 posted on 12/21/2005 4:35:01 PM PST by steveo (No Anchovies? You've got the wrong man, I spell my name steveo...)
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To: csvset
Dying grouper.


5 posted on 12/21/2005 4:35:02 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: csvset

Japan is a strange, strange place. I would never want to live there. The Japanese, as a whole, basically seem to be perverts.

And before anyone accuses me of racism, I'll just note that I'm of Japanese descent myself.


6 posted on 12/21/2005 4:38:19 PM PST by furquhart (God is not dead)
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To: csvset; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
Gropers, or chikan (chee-kahn) as they are called, are all too commonplace in a society where similar themes are commonplace in adult videos and comics.

Japan * ping * (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)

7 posted on 12/21/2005 4:40:14 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: furquhart

Considering how packed some subway and train cars can get there, you can wind up being an unintentional groper.


8 posted on 12/21/2005 4:48:23 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: RichInOC
I'm not a medical examiner, but I have watched CSI too many times. Perhaps it was Custody Death Syndrone?
9 posted on 12/21/2005 4:52:16 PM PST by csvset
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To: furquhart

"Japan is a strange, strange place. I would never want to live there. The Japanese, as a whole, basically seem to be perverts."


Probably because there is so much rigid conformity.

Victorian England, similarly, was famous for its pornography. And one out of every 40 London houses was a brothel.

Arab societies, which are extremely repressed & abusive, seem to produce these types. Maybe the tighter the laws, the greater the obsession with sex.


10 posted on 12/21/2005 4:52:28 PM PST by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: steveo

Somebody set up him the boob?


11 posted on 12/21/2005 4:54:35 PM PST by RichInOC (HA HA HA HA....)
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To: Kirkwood
Precisely. This whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense unless you picture yourself crowded nut-to-butt in a Tokyo subway car. On the one hand, the pervs have a field day copping a feel. On the other hand, perfectly innocent people are accused by the fearful.

A good friend of mine had a woman run from him screaming in one such situation. He'd stuck one of those folding umbrellas in his front pants pocket. Dunno what it felt like being up against that but I do know what it looked like... ;-)

12 posted on 12/21/2005 4:55:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: furquhart
The Japanese, as a whole, basically seem to be perverts.

Pretty bra\oad indictment but they do have some porn which, dealing as it does with scatology and vivisection, would fall into that category and beyond. And who can forget that bukaki is a Japanese word.

13 posted on 12/21/2005 4:56:15 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: steveo

Someone set up us the boob...


14 posted on 12/21/2005 4:57:58 PM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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To: RichInOC

Dang, you beat me!


15 posted on 12/21/2005 4:58:40 PM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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To: csvset

It seems to me that four citizens acted well in chasing down this molestor. I am not sure if everywhere in these United States you might see such a vigorous response.


16 posted on 12/21/2005 5:14:45 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: csvset


Frottage seems to be pretty popular in Japan. It's all fun and games until someone stomps ya another mudhole.


17 posted on 12/21/2005 5:20:56 PM PST by Malsua
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To: DTogo

Thanks for the ping, this should be a good thread.


18 posted on 12/21/2005 5:30:34 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: luvbach1

Not to mention vending machines offering panties "guaranteed to have been worn by a schoolgirl".


19 posted on 12/21/2005 5:34:03 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: csvset

Front page news? I don't think so ;)


20 posted on 12/21/2005 5:34:45 PM PST by silentknight
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To: csvset

Governor Richardson on vacation?


21 posted on 12/21/2005 5:38:57 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: Kirkwood
Considering how packed some subway and train cars can get there, you can wind up being an unintentional groper.

Yes, I always carried something in one hand and had the other holding the rail/ring. Watching the strained faces of passengers when the trains lurched was always humorous; people falling all over one another. Not so funny in the hot, muggy summers.

22 posted on 12/21/2005 5:59:21 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: csvset

How gallant of the other passengers---rushing to the victim's aid.


23 posted on 12/21/2005 6:02:02 PM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: csvset
tatakae!!
電車男
!!

24 posted on 12/21/2005 7:25:28 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: csvset

This sounds like the Bronson movie called Kinjite: Forbidden Subjects.


26 posted on 12/21/2005 8:49:54 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Rastus

" Japan is a strange, strange place. I would never want to live there. The Japanese, as a whole, basically seem to be perverts."

Call me Master Of The Obvious asn see if I care . ;) One can find strangeness in any country . And perverts abound in the USA as well . Look at Catholic priests , for example .


27 posted on 12/21/2005 9:26:08 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

I didn't say that.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 9:31:33 PM PST by Rastus
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To: sushiman
"perverts abound in the USA"

You got that one right!


29 posted on 12/21/2005 9:45:30 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: bobbdobbs; MoochPooch

""Maybe the tighter the laws, the greater the obsession with sex.""
"Despite the ample historical evidence, this is something the prohibitionists never seem to get."

I don't think this is exactly on target.

Any day you can see men reading materials on the subway that would probably get you arrested in the U.S. Western-style morality laws were adopted for the sake of looking good to Westerners, not because there's any real foundation for it in Japanese history or culture.

The reason that there's more groping here than in the US is a combination of two things: more opportunity, and they can get away with it.

Most groped schoolgirls never make a peep at the time. Even women in their 20s and 30s usually remain silent.

The unusual thing about this story is that a young woman actually called the groper out.

I was riding on a train with a group that included some 20s Japanese girls and some Westerners about fifteen years ago. When we got off, one of the girls said she'd been groped. We Western males asked why she hadn't said anything, and she said she didn't want us kicking his butt and creating an incident. Typical.

There are also girls who make a practice of false accusations of groping on the train to extort cash from their victims.

If anything, sexual morality is looser in Japan. The only thing that keeps a Japanese girl from dropping her linen is fear of pregnancy or disease, or racism; no moral or spiritual considerations are involved.

Very little effort is made to crack down on enjo kosai, which is Junior High and High School girls dating older men for money, because few people really see much wrong with it.

If a 25 year old man and a 13 year old girl become lovers, prosecution is unlikely to result. Her father may demand a cash settlement from the guy, but it's pretty hard for him to get the police interested.

If somebody reports a schoolteacher, and if there's a danger that the media might go with it, the police may get off their butts and arrest him. Usually, though, these things aren't reported. These cases don't result in long jail sentences, either.

Historically, Japan has just never thought of a girl getting nailed as the end of the world, as it has been in Western Civilization. They're a lot closer to a view that it is meet and proper for girls of lower status to put out for men of higher status. And if the girl is a little timid or reluctant, well, she'll get over it.

Foreign females, of course, are by definition of lower status than any Japanese male.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 10:22:42 PM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: sushiman; Rastus

And perverts abound in the USA as well . Look at Catholic priests, for example .


A lot of the blame for this goes back to Antonio Gramsci, a major strategist of Cultural Marxism.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 10:31:59 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Liz; Dashing Dasher; Brad's Gramma; Calpernia; CyberAnt; Army Air Corps; ...

I got dinner at a take-out today and in the informal dining area was a Japanese-made video arcade game that previewed Kung-Fu type warfare between a (cartoon) male character and a female character. Not exactly what I'd call chivalrous. And this is certainly not limited to the Japanese. From ancient times up through modern feminism, males in most non-Judaeo-Christian cultures have either worshiped females--or more typically, sought to dominate them. And that includes, unfortunately, the hedonistic Playboy/Playgirl mindset that is 'modern' America.


32 posted on 12/21/2005 10:39:30 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: csvset

It beats yelling bonzie (sp?) and crashing your Toyota in to a bra factory.


33 posted on 12/21/2005 10:40:58 PM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: BigCinBigD

http://www2.alc.co.jp/ejr/index.php?word_in=%96%9C%8D%CE&word_in2=%82%A9%82%AB%82%AD%82%AF%82%B1&word_in3=PVawEWi72JXCKoa0Je

http://www2.alc.co.jp/ejr/index.php?word_in=Banzai&word_in2=%82%A9%82%AB%82%AD%82%AF%82%B1&word_in3=PVawEWi72JXCKoa0Je

Literally, “ten thousand years”


34 posted on 12/22/2005 12:58:13 AM PST by dsc (さよくしんじまえ)
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To: Blurblogger

Your statement, for the most part, is true based upon comparative history and anthropology.

There are many things about Japanese culture that fascinate me and other aspects of the culture that repulse me. The poor treatment of women is a feature of the culture that I find to be, at the least, unsettling.


35 posted on 12/22/2005 6:38:27 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: dsc

"Most groped schoolgirls never make a peep at the time. Even women in their 20s and 30s usually remain silent."


This reminds me of an article I had read awhile back about Israeli rapists. Many of them look for Orthodox Jewish girls, who they figured would be too embarrassed to report it.


36 posted on 12/22/2005 3:35:45 PM PST by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: Army Air Corps
There are many things about Japanese culture that fascinate me and other aspects of the culture that repulse me. The poor treatment of women is a feature of the culture that I find to be, at the least, unsettling.

I lived briefly in Japan, married a Japanese woman, go back there to visit every couple of years, and I think you might be a bit misinformed. Feminism never really caught on in Japan and gender roles are closer there to what they were in America in the 50's, albeit with a lot more sexuality and promiscuity, but on the whole Japanese women aren't treated badly at all. They aren't forced to wear a burkha, the streets are safe, they have pretty much the same freedoms as the rest of the western world and Japanese men aren't monsters either.

It's true that Japanese porn is heavy on the bondage and S&M, but German porn is just as bad if not worse and no one talks about the poor treatment of German women.

37 posted on 12/22/2005 8:35:33 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: elmer fudd
Thanks for the info. My comment was imprecise and I apologise for that. I meant to reference the sexuality in Japanese society. I enjoy Anime, but there is much of it that I cannot watch because of the imagery involving horrible things that happen to women. I also say the same thing about American horror movies that are usually a misogynistic bloodfest.
38 posted on 12/22/2005 8:42:41 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: luvbach1
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39 posted on 12/22/2005 9:04:11 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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