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1 posted on 12/21/2005 6:27:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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These experts pointed to this week's unprecedented resignation from the government's spy court by U.S. District Judge James Robertson as an indicator of the judiciary's unease over domestic wiretaps ordered without warrants under a highly classified domestic spying program authorized by President Bush.

But no-one ever resigned over what Bubba was up to.

Go figure.

2 posted on 12/21/2005 6:30:12 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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None of these "experts" [ex, as in was, and spurt, as in drip under pressure] would ever, ever, let the facts, or the law, f*up a good story, or defense of a terrorist for that matter.
3 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:49 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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Legal Experts? Like John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Geof Fieger?
4 posted on 12/21/2005 6:33:17 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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Okay who is this guy U.S. District Judge James Robertson......???


5 posted on 12/21/2005 6:33:54 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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Ah Haa! He had his own little STAR CHAMBER™ going on http://www.mcsm.org/secretmeeting.html


7 posted on 12/21/2005 6:37:11 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bill Clinton's License Plate..... "Herpes 1")
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We are not going to try these guys, we are going to kill them.
8 posted on 12/21/2005 6:37:17 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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Exactly what the pro-terrorists MSM and Democrats were hoping for...


9 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:13 PM PST by citizencon
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could threaten cases against terror suspects that rely on evidence uncovered during the disputed eavesdropping, some legal experts cautioned.

I don't think evidence gathered against a US Citizen using this method would be admissible in court. You might be able to say that there is no expectation of privacy on an international call.

10 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:45 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Perhaps we should be satisfied that if we prevent a devastating attack using the President's wartime powers, the legal mopping up operation will be messy. It will not mean that lives weren't saved and that the right thing wasn't done. We are having trouble prosecuting Massouwi, but he didn't get on another airplane.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:19 PM PST by sgtyork (If Osamma calls someone in the US, should the NSA hang up?)
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After this got leaked, Rep Harman thinks the Administration didn't tell ENOUGH people????


13 posted on 12/21/2005 6:39:49 PM PST by digger48
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This guy Bass testified a few years ago that he approved a warrantless search before he was able to get Jimmy Carter to make it official.

During our tenure the Department learned that a Vietnamese citizen in the United States was sending packages to Paris through a courier who happened to be a CIA agent. In Paris the documents were delivered to an official of the Vietnamese government. We were asked to approve a warrantless search of one of the packages. On the basis of the information then available to us, we declined to advise the Attorney General that we should invoke the foreign intelligence exception and engage in warrantless physical searches of the packages if there was a reasonable expectation of privacy. We did, however, conclude that the specific package in the courier’s possession was not protected by any reasonable privacy expectation and a search even in the context of a criminal investigation would not require a warrant. We thus authorized the courier to open the package and inspect its contents. That inspection revealed that classified government documents were indeed being transferred to a Vietnamese official in Paris. On the basis of that information and other investigations, we subsequently advised the Attorney General to obtain the President’s personal approval of subsequent searches of packages that were, in our opinion, protected by a reasonable expectation of privacy.

For more, see:

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/091002bass.html

17 posted on 12/21/2005 6:48:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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And yet I've read on this very forum of lots of judges who say that this is entirely legal.


18 posted on 12/21/2005 6:49:23 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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It's not about trials, it's about stopping attacks.

For example, we heard someone, UNKNOWN, discussing destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge.

We didn't know who it was but we got on the bridge and caught some ba$tard with bolt cutters.

Their method wasn't sophisticated enough to work but once they realized we were on to their scheme, that was the end of their plans.

21 posted on 12/21/2005 6:58:03 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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The point is avoiding millions of dead citizens, not whether we can bring suicide bombers to the court once they are stopped. If they are foreigners, then they are enemy combatants anyway or spies if they are on our soil. If they are American citizens, well. One hopes there is a special circle in Hell for these sort of folks.

Perhaps they might get off.. but thats still better than even one building being toppled. They better keep their nose clean the rest of their lives.

22 posted on 12/21/2005 7:02:27 PM PST by dalight
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"unprecedented resignation from the government's spy court by U.S. District Judge James Robertson..."


OMG! It's the first time in history that a US District Judge has resigned! I did not know that. I guess Bush must really be extreme. </sarc>


26 posted on 12/21/2005 7:13:06 PM PST by Brilliant
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Oh, somehow I don't think they're relying on this information for court cases.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 7:17:38 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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OK... I'm trying to figure this one out.

Robertson has been on this panel of judges for some time now. He is just now having doubts about the legitimacy of these warrant-less searches?

Yeah... Right...

35 posted on 12/21/2005 8:44:27 PM PST by SpottedBeaver (Tagline removed by Moderator)
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There are NO domestic wiretaps. Can't be very good legal experts if they can't even get the false NY Times story correct.


36 posted on 12/21/2005 8:59:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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