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1 posted on 12/22/2005 4:12:13 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
This polarizes the debate, in and outside the beltway, and it may unnerve hesitant senators who side with the president but fear spitting into what they see as the prevailing political wind.

Sure hope so, at least that's the plan.

2 posted on 12/22/2005 4:12:28 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
... and this is missing a "Barf Alert!" because...? :)
3 posted on 12/22/2005 4:15:57 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Straight from the open borders boy.


4 posted on 12/22/2005 4:16:48 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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....nice how these chowder heads call people in the GOP who are pro law enforcement "hardliners".

"unrealistic laws"?

Is that what sovereignty is called nowadays?
9 posted on 12/22/2005 4:20:43 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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"Democrats railed against the legislation, standing up, member after member, to defend our tradition as a nation of immigrants."

Liberals are for illegal immigration and balkanization. Conservatives are for legal immigration and integration. And, yes, there are liberal republicans.


10 posted on 12/22/2005 4:21:08 PM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I'm really getting tired of Tamar Jacoby.

I think what he really meant to say was this:

The majority of GOP voters, including those who don't live in gated communities outside DC, those who slave away at jobs every day just to make a living, and those who actually have to compete with illegals for jobs, do not speak for the GOP. Instead, Washington elites who are detached from reality and only concerned with pleasing business allies speak for the GOP.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 4:21:24 PM PST by SC33
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

If the hard liners don't speak for the GOP, then the GOP doesn't speak for me!


14 posted on 12/22/2005 4:21:55 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Screw RINOs.
16 posted on 12/22/2005 4:23:59 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

If a hardliner is someone opposed to ILLEGAL immigration, then I must be a super hardliner. I am also opposed to burglary, larceny, rape, and Rats.


18 posted on 12/22/2005 4:27:36 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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It is hard to give the author(s) much credence as they confuse legal immigration and illegal immigration throughout.


20 posted on 12/22/2005 4:29:36 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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Many pro-immigration reform Republicans understood that and went along, not because they support the Sensenbrenner approach, but because they didn't want to buck the leadership or disregard the powerful committee chairman.

If they "went along" so as not to "buck the leadership or...," it's a first. The RINOs manage to have their say about everything under the sun mainly disagreeing with any conservative ideas and voting with the Democrats on anything of importance. IF they shut their mouths over this, there is only one reason - they know it's political suicide to take the opposite position just like the Democrats knew they had better keep their mouths closed over 9/11, and give the president their vote to conduct the war on terror even though it must have been hell for them to do so since we now know how they felt all along.

21 posted on 12/22/2005 4:30:02 PM PST by penowa
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Grover Norquist, White House point man on immigration.

"If the Republican Party works with the Hispanic community, the immigrant community, they're natural allies. People who came to this country are more freedom-loving and more American than people who just happened to be born here because they made a decision to go to a great deal of trouble and effort to leave their parents and their family and their small towns or whatever to come to the United States. They're natural Reagan Republicans. As long as we're welcoming them, we win their votes.

We've seen, with some effort on the part of the Republicans to reach out to Hispanics, a tremendous increase in our support in Hispanics. In Florida, where it's second nature for the Republican Party to work with Hispanics, we carry a majority of the non-Cuban Hispanic vote and more than a majority of the Cuban vote. We have, when we have worked at it, carried a majority of the Asian-American vote. So immigration is something that if Pat Buchanan became our nominee, we would lose the immigrant vote. But the strength of George Bush is that he was [the] pro-immigrant, pro-trade Reaganite in the race, and that was the winning issue, not just in the primary but in the general [election], and also the winning strategy for governor. A Republican Party which becomes anti-immigrant will become a minority party."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/interviews/norquist.html

If any of you have seen Norquist on TV, you will notice he uses the same emotional, nonsensical talking points we have had foisted on us. He simply cannot say "illegal immigration". Looks like the majority of our congress is now "Anti-immigrant" according to him.


22 posted on 12/22/2005 4:33:00 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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Democrats railed against the legislation, standing up, member after member, to defend our tradition as a nation of immigrants.

Democrats think their base is Illegal Immigrants, and minority's so they are playing to their base!

24 posted on 12/22/2005 4:35:35 PM PST by rocksblues (John McCain says adopt a terrorist today!)
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Norquist has also been exposed as the founder of the Islamic Insitute, a group believed to be funded by foreign governments, Wahhab Islam elements in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Muslim groups recently raided by a special Treasury Department task force for funding Al Qaeda and Palestinian terrorists.

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Norquist's relationship with Muslim groups that support terrorism became public after Norquist launched an unexpected and inexplicably vitriolic attack against Frank Gaffney, the President of the Center for Security Policy.

During a routine Conservative Political Action Conference meeting in early February, Gaffney participated in a panel discussion about the balance to be struck in time of war between preserving civil liberties and safeguarding American's lives and safety. Gafney expressed concern about one of the most insidious of the Wahhabis' activities, a concerted attempt to penetrate and influence the Executive and Legislative branch of our government.


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Norquist responded to Gaffney's comments by calling Gaffney a racist and religious bigot in an appearance on Fox News Channel and in letters sent to the Washington Post and Washington Times and barring Gaffney from attending the most important meeting in Washington, the regular Wednesday meetings of conservative Capitol Hill aides and interest-group representatives held in Norquist's offices.

It is unclear whether the Muslims who have been acting as White House gatekeepers - Ali Tulbah and Suhail Kahn - were actually placed in that position by Grover Norquist's Islamic Institute. Norquist is credited with delivering the Muslim vote for Bush in the 2000 election and has the ear of the most influential man in Washington, Karl Rove, President Bush's political advisor. Rove has been a featured speaker at Norquist's Wednesday meetings.

Although it is not noted on either group's website, Norquist's Islamic Institute actually shares office space and staff with Americans for Tax Reform.

According to news reports, while Norquist served as founding Chairman of the Islamic Institute the group received seed money from Abdurahman Alamoudi, then a member of the left-wing American Muslim Council. MSNBC and Fox News have aired videotapes of Alamoudi standing in front of the White House, declaring his support for Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas is currently one of the leading groups responsible for Palestinian suicide bombers. Hezbollah, sponsored by the Iranian government, was responsible for the death of 240 Marines in Beirut in the 1980s and is believed to be responsible for the attack on Khobar Towers, a barracks in Saudi Arabia.

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Since 9/11, Norquist has led opposition to domestic anti-terrorism laws and has been quoted in frontpage NY times articles allelging a wholesale loss of faith by conservatives in Attorney General Josh Ashcroft. Norquist has also attacked Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, and others who have attempted to alert Americans to the dangers of Islam.



http://tinyurl.com/d8fts


27 posted on 12/22/2005 4:36:21 PM PST by kcvl
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A few brave GOP dissenters stood up to say that we can have both -- can remain a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

Sure, we can remain a nation of LEGAL immigrants.

ILLEGAL immigrants are called ILLEGAL immigrants for a reason.

28 posted on 12/22/2005 4:37:43 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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vomit inducing article...


30 posted on 12/22/2005 4:39:20 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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Okay from the hard RIGHT, the softies who brought us the big-tent RINOS....

they don't have any idea of where to go or how to get there...

Just get along with the Democrats is their only program.

31 posted on 12/22/2005 4:41:24 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Jacoby is known as a huge open borders advocate, BTW.


32 posted on 12/22/2005 4:42:40 PM PST by HighFlier
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On April 2, 2005 Norquist married Palestinian activist and former high school classmate Samah Alrayyes.




Alrayyes has radical Islamic credentials of her own; she served as communications director at the Islamic Free Market Institute, the Islamist organization Norquist helped found. Now, she is employed as a public affairs officer at the U.S. Agency for International Development – and so it appears that yet another Islamist finds employment in a branch of the U.S. government.

Norquist has for some years now been promoting Islamist organizations, including even the Council on American-Islamic Relations; for example, he spoke at CAIR's conference, "A Better America in a Better World" on October 5, 2004. Frank Gaffney has researched Norquist's ties to Islamists in his exhaustive, careful, and convincing study, "Agent of Influence" and concludes that Norquist is enabling "a political influence operation to advance the causes of radical Islamists, and targeted most particularly at the Bush Administration."


http://tinyurl.com/aw4no


33 posted on 12/22/2005 4:44:29 PM PST by kcvl
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What nonsense.


36 posted on 12/22/2005 4:46:36 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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