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Dover and the scientific landscape
Ars Technica ^ | 23 December 2005 | John Timmer

Posted on 12/24/2005 10:43:36 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Ichneumon

Let us hear it for intelligent redesign. For example, how about 4 legs and 2 arms. An eye in the back of the head would be handy.


41 posted on 12/24/2005 10:28:41 PM PST by dr huer
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To: SkyPilot
...this ruling might help ID proponents move at least some of its proposals onto a more solid scientifc footing.

The problem with this suggestion is that ID, at its very heart, is anti-science. These jerks will never get their act together because their basic premise is flawed.

42 posted on 12/25/2005 12:22:32 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Oztrich Boy

Is that Donny Osmond in the middle? My laptop has a smaller viewing screen. LOL!!!


43 posted on 12/25/2005 12:46:03 AM PST by phantomworker (My life is taking the moment & making the best of it w/o knowing what's going to happen next (gildaR)
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To: dr huer
Let us hear it for intelligent redesign. For example, how about 4 legs and 2 arms. An eye in the back of the head would be handy.

Where's that fish with two mouths?

Two-mouth fish

or

Two-headed fish

44 posted on 12/25/2005 12:55:47 AM PST by phantomworker (My life is taking the moment & making the best of it w/o knowing what's going to happen next (gildaR)
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To: phantomworker

Try this again:

http://home.comcast.net/~phantomworker/two_mouth_fish1.jpg

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/InNews/genes2004.htm


45 posted on 12/25/2005 1:07:11 AM PST by phantomworker (My life is taking the moment & making the best of it w/o knowing what's going to happen next (gildaR)
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To: PatrickHenry

The Ars Technica discussion following the article is a fascinating read as well. I have been "on" Ars Technica for years now. Fantastic website.


46 posted on 12/25/2005 2:00:19 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: longshadow
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47 posted on 12/25/2005 6:10:55 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry; My2Cents; RadioAstronomer
I pity you Darwinists. When I behold the wonders of creation, I know -- really know -- that there must be a Designer.

There's another dynamic at work, here, which is best exemplified by Walt Whitman's famous poem When I Heard the Learned Astronomer.

Whitman sneers at the astronomer's learning, implicitly claiming a higher appreciation in his ignorance by assuming that the astronomer has lost the ability to appreciate the aesthetic beauty of the stars. Too high a price to pay for knowledge, sniffs the poet.

I've always felt, though, that Whitman's self-congratulation was a defense mechanism in reaction to his own envy. The astronomer has undoubtedly not lost his appreciation of the night sky as an object of beauty. First, he loved it enough to devote his life's labor to it. Second, he spends much more of his time gazing upon it and contemplating it than any poet. Whitman's envy, born of a very well-placed fear, is that the astronomer appreciates the heavens at a level that is beyond the poet's reach. Any fool can say that something looks pleasant, but it takes a connoisseur--an amateur, in the original sense of the word--to understand it.

So, too, the biologist and the physicist appreciates God's handiwork, whether or not it handiwork be, than the ignorant shamanist possibly can. What matters more to the artist: that the viewer understands his painting's meaning and appreciates his technique, or that the viewer gets his name right?

48 posted on 12/25/2005 7:09:09 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
From a science point of view, the interesting thing about the case was that it was the first time that the relative merits of intelligent design (ID) and evolutionary theory were put before a dispassionate observer,

So a leftist judicial tyrant with an agenda is a dispassionate observer? right.

49 posted on 12/25/2005 7:12:29 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: Physicist
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Damn! There it goes again; Now the GrandMaster at DarwinCentral™ is going to have to pay triple time to get a techie to come out to the Galopagos Islands on a holidy to fix that flakey encryption module I've been complaining about!

50 posted on 12/25/2005 7:28:36 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
New tagline.
51 posted on 12/25/2005 9:00:29 AM PST by PatrickHenry (ƒÂ‚ £Ã‚ £Â, £Ã, £Â‚ £Ã‚ £Â, £Ã, £Â)
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To: All
Just added to The List-O-Links:

NEW Nobel Laureates in defense of evolution.. Thirty-eight Nobel Prize winners write to Kansas Bd. Of Education.
Another service of Darwin Central, the conspiracy that cares.

52 posted on 12/25/2005 9:21:22 AM PST by PatrickHenry (ƒÂ‚ £Ã‚ £Â, £Ã, £Â‚ £Ã‚ £Â, £Ã, £Â)
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To: longshadow
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53 posted on 12/25/2005 10:55:30 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Well, that certainly didn't work out right.


54 posted on 12/25/2005 10:56:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Maybe the part where he says the dissenters may refer to the decision as being the product of an "activist judge."


55 posted on 12/25/2005 11:31:53 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Chiapet

By inserting the language concerning activism and judge in the ruling, the judge was indeed editorializing; that is a point separate from the merits of the case.


56 posted on 12/25/2005 11:35:33 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: SkyPilot
The judge in this case is a hardened atheist who went out of his way to make a personal point. He even tried to inoculate criticism of his decision by spelling out that he wasn't an "activist judge" (yeah---right)

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones is a Conservative, a Bush appointee and a Christian. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the ID Holly Warriors immediately started spreading lies about him. Hey, but any lie that furthers the "cause" is righteous, isn't it?

57 posted on 12/25/2005 12:14:46 PM PST by jess35
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To: PatrickHenry; Physicist
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If you guys keep this up, "AAPatriot" is going show up from the land of banned FReepers to accuse all of us of being NSA agents!

"COLD BUSTED!" indeed...

;-)

58 posted on 12/25/2005 1:07:35 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow; PatrickHenry; Physicist
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I kind of like it. Reminds me of a proof in mathematical statistics! LOL!

59 posted on 12/25/2005 1:48:24 PM PST by phantomworker (My life is taking the moment & making the best of it w/o knowing what's going to happen next (gildaR)
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60 posted on 12/25/2005 2:18:03 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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