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To: I. M. Trenchant

Please visit your private mail


133 posted on 12/31/2005 7:02:42 AM PST by middie
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To: middie; truthfulnow
middie

I seriously doubt your lucidity and thus invite you to refrain from contacting me. To state it in terms that you'd be more likely to understand: Pound sand!

Do you seriously think the message quoted above had to be sent by private mail? You implied in this thread that a notable historian, Stephen Ambrose, had written 'something somewhere' that supported your general view, expressed in this thread, that Nixon's transgressions were more serious than those of his White House predecessors. For the reasons I explicated in post #127 -- by quoting from Ambrose's published words -- this was demonstrably not the case. I hope this is lucid enough.

I have often been startled to find that some of the most ardent Nixonophobes have minimized the significance of Nixon's unacceptable and imprudent behaviour in connection with Watergate. You might be interested in reading an article by Gore Vidal -- surely one of Nixon's most ardent opponents when Nixon was in office. It is titled Not The Best Man's Best Man. It is very well-written, humorous, and is contained in his collection of U.S.A. essays. Vidal not only asserts that Nixon's 'crimes' were petty when compared with those of LBJ or JFK, but that Nixon would be seen, by history, as the greatest U.S. president of the last half of the 20th century. The article originally appeared in Esquire in 1983, more than a decade after Watergate.

Of course, at your request, I shall not, in future, address you or your posts in either the FR or (as I never have and never would because I don't subscribe to private communications in public forums) by private mail. A Happy New Year to you.

truthfulnow

Nothing in post #132 indicates that Nixon ever ordered a break-in at the DNC, and I know of no credible sources (Magruder is not credible) who claim that Nixon had fore-knowledge of the Watergate break-in or that he ordered that it be undertaken. Indeed, Stanley Kutler was one of the first to cast doubt, publicly, on Magruder's afterthought about Nixon having had fore-knowledge of the break-in. Being a card-carrying Nixonophobe, Kutler's opinion did much to discredit Magruder's claim. If you can provide quotations to the contrary, I should be indebted if you would present them in this forum. On the contrary, there are several credible sources (Stephen Ambrose included) who have noted that LBJ gave direct orders to J. Edgar Hoover to place a bug on Nixon's election-campaign plane in 1968, but admittedly, I have never found that information in any "lefty source" for the simple reason that it would dwarf the significance of Nixon's complicity (unquestioned by me) in covering up the crimes of his subordinates. I have never questioned that Nixon was complicit in the coverup from the outset. I had believed this to be the case from the moment CREEP and Mitchell were moved out of the White House, long before Watergate became a cause celebre. As I indicated in my first post in this thread (#64), Nixon's complicity in the coverup was likely owing to his certain knowledge that his own general attitudes, which were well-known to his subordinates, had inspired this sort action -- however distant the actions were from anything he himself would have sanctioned if he had known in advance exactly what they were planning to do (especially at the DNC in the Watergate).

All differences of opinion aside, I am pleased to wish you all the best in the New Year.

134 posted on 12/31/2005 1:19:16 PM PST by I. M. Trenchant
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