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Is Intelligent Design Theory Scientific?
http://RussP.us/IDscience.htm ^ | 2005-12-20 | Russ Paielli

Posted on 12/25/2005 1:41:41 PM PST by RussP

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To: staytrue

Some of the evidence for continental drift was evident as soon as accurate maps of the South Atlantic coasts were available, which was in the 1800s. Abundant additional evidence was presented by Wegener and others in the early 20th century. Yet orthodox geologists continued to reject it, just as dogmatic Darwinists continue to reject anything which challenges their pet theory. Ruthlessly suppressing anything but an orthodoxy is not science! What should really be asked is why Darwinists are so obsessed with having their theory taught at the secondary or even elementary level. As a trained scientist, I know that knowledge of evolution is not necessary in most areas or science. One could even get along in geology without it, although one would have to keep one's ignorance hidden, and recognize that life did progress through geologic time. This doctrine is really being pushed, not so much because it is needed to succeed in life, but because of its absolute necessity to the determinist-materialist worldview which underlies socialism.


21 posted on 12/25/2005 2:14:35 PM PST by hellbender
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To: ovrtaxt

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22 posted on 12/25/2005 2:16:25 PM PST by Lurker 50001
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To: Junior

Archival ping.


23 posted on 12/25/2005 2:20:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: connectthedots
Wrong. Both are beliefs and both are models. Neither is really a theory because neither are duplicatable.

No. A theory does not have to be reproducible in the way you are using it here. Did you ever take any science classes after 5th grade?

24 posted on 12/25/2005 2:28:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: hellbender
As a trained scientist,

As a trained scientist, I know the evidence for ID is nil, and As a trained scientist, you should too.

Yes, you can speculate about ID, you can speculate about space aliens too, but teaching ID or that space aliens exists in school is stupid.

25 posted on 12/25/2005 2:33:01 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: staytrue

"ID theory has not enough evidence for it to be taught in school. Maybe if there is more evidence for it, but little or none exists for it."

Translation: "I have successfully ignored the evidence in favor of ID."

Read Spetner, Behe, and Dembski for mountains of evidence for ID. See the links at the bottom of the online version of my article.


26 posted on 12/25/2005 2:35:46 PM PST by RussP
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To: ovrtaxt
I say let all the thoeries, ideas, and explanations get haashed out in every individual's mind. What are the Darwinites afraid of?

Mind haash? Especially if we have to contemplate thoeries.

27 posted on 12/25/2005 2:35:56 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: freedumb2003
Did you ever take any science classes after 5th grade?

How old are you?

28 posted on 12/25/2005 2:41:28 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: RussP

If ID is intelligent, then why the heck are there so many extinct species. If a species goes extinct, I fail to see what was so intelligent about its design.

Further, if we humans allow any species to go extinct are we not destroying the work of the creator ? Should we not immediately adopt a zero tolerance policy on species extinction ?


29 posted on 12/25/2005 2:48:10 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: RussP; odoso; animoveritas; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; Unam Sanctam; EdReform; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Merry Christmas, pingees!

I wasn't going to ping anything today, but I really like this article.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

Note: The proponents of the TOE remind me of characters from "Through the Looking Glass".


30 posted on 12/25/2005 2:50:42 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ovrtaxt
Is he, by chance, an ACLU member? I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. He certainly shares their hostility to anything reflecting a reverence for God.

Long-standing member of the GOP and a devout Lutheran. Not an ACLU member. Impugn the motives of the judge all you want. Maybe you ought to consider the bearing false witness that occurred as the ID folks testified that religion had nothing to do with their efforts.

31 posted on 12/25/2005 2:51:25 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: RussP
Apparently, nobody informed the SETI team that their motivating hypothesis -- that "extraterrestrial intelligent life exists" -- is "unscientific"!

The entire SETI program is nothing more than a philosophy based in part on Drake's equation which even Drake found problems with.

Millions of dollars, and untold amounts of time, have been poured into a program that attempts to prove a negative.

Why? Because scientist have their own religion, and two of the disciples of that "religion" are Sagan and Asimov.

The whole idea of Intelligent Design is based on design by an intelligent being or beings for which there's no scientific rationale to believe exists at this time.

Neither is there a scientific rationale to believe intelligent life exists beyond this planet. So, if the scientific community wants to ban ID then, by extension, they have to ban SETI as well.

32 posted on 12/25/2005 2:51:40 PM PST by Noachian (Islam is the problem - leaving it is the cure.)
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To: little jeremiah
Note: The proponents of the TOE remind me of characters from "Through the Looking Glass".

Thanks Arthur Dimmesdale! Give my regards to Hester.

33 posted on 12/25/2005 2:53:22 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: ovrtaxt

"I think you'd better look at this PA judge for an example of who sounds like a liberal. Is he, by chance, an ACLU member? I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. He certainly shares their hostility to anything reflecting a reverence for God."

LOL....he is a Pres. Bush 43 appointee who is very respected in the Pennsylvania GOP.


34 posted on 12/25/2005 2:56:51 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to get on/off the Military History ping list)
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To: staytrue

"If ID is intelligent, then why the heck are there so many extinct species. If a species goes extinct, I fail to see what was so intelligent about its design."

Well, I don't follow your reasoning. If the bi-plane goes "extinct," does that mean it wasn't designed by an intelligent being? It's only an analogy, but it answers your question. Please don't read more into it than I wrote. Maybe the "Designer" had reasons to let species go extinct.


35 posted on 12/25/2005 2:57:03 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
If the bi-plane goes "extinct,"

If the bi-plane goes "extinct," , it usually has be supplanted by a superior model. Survival of the fittest I believe.

36 posted on 12/25/2005 3:00:01 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: ovrtaxt
Is he, by chance, an ACLU member? I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. He certainly shares their hostility to anything reflecting a reverence for God.

Judge Jones is not a member of the ACLU, and is, in fact, a GWB appointee.

37 posted on 12/25/2005 3:09:34 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: RussP
This most elegant system of the sun, planets, and comets could not have arisen without the design and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being. --Sir Isaac Newton,

On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to simple visual observations are…necessarily denied to us… We shall never be able by any means to study their chemical composition. -- August Comte, 1835

Everything that can be invented has been invented.  --  Patent Commissioner, Charles H. Duell, 1899

I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky -- Some guy
38 posted on 12/25/2005 3:11:35 PM PST by gcruse
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To: connectthedots
Old enough to know what a Theory is.

Do you always use non-sequiturs as a debate technique? Perhaps I can point you to some communication theory courses to go with the science courses you need.
39 posted on 12/25/2005 3:15:06 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: hellbender
Yet orthodox geologists continued to reject it, just as dogmatic Darwinists continue to reject anything which challenges their pet theory. Ruthlessly suppressing anything but an orthodoxy is not science!

ID is not a challenge to evolution. At best it is a challenge to Creationism.

40 posted on 12/25/2005 3:20:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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