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Teacher defends "Santa" remarks (Full, unedited statement)
Lebanon Daily News ^ | 12/23/05 | Theresa R. Farrisi

Posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:14 AM PST by Conservatrix

To the Editor:

"Last week I substituted at a local elementary school in Lebanon County. The lesson plan required me to read the 1882 poem “The Night Before Christmas” by Clement Clarke Moore to two classes of students. While I can appreciate the poem for its literary value, the subject matter is offensive to me, and the reading of this poem to the children imposed values upon me which are against my deeply held religious beliefs. I could not in good conscience present the notion of Santa Claus as a truth to the children, and stated so.

No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer. Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States. A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion. The belief in Santa Claus as a divine, magical, omniscient, powerful, giving, loving father-figure, to which children are taught to make supplications and requests, is a religion indeed-- a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.

In presenting the poem, I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today. (Dutch children, for example, would put their wooden shoes out at night for “Sante Klaus” to fill with candies.)

The current Santa Claus figure was popularized in the late 19th Century by artist Thomas Nast of Harper’s Weekly Magazine, who depicted “Saint Nick,” not as an elf, but a rotund, pipe-smoking man in a red and white suit. This is the deity to which countless public school children today are taught to make supplications, and about whom they sing their many songs at annual public school Christmas programs.

If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion. Therefore, as a religion, let Santa be kept out of the public school classroom (no more “Dear Santa” letters to line those school hallways)--or perhaps, in the interest of “diversity,” make his mythical, oversized personage share equal representation in literature, and song, and Christmas programs, with the other Person of the season: the Lord Jesus Christ, God made flesh, God with us."


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To: Howlin
I ain't no rocket scientist..but when she walks like a duck...quacks like a duck...My first guess wouldn't be Santa Claus!
541 posted on 12/26/2005 6:11:50 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: Conservatrix
I wish people would read both of these statements before making responses. It seems like people like to spout without allowing divergent point of views to be considered. Conservatives ought to be able to do this.

Yup. ok, read both statements.

Upon reflected analysis, it is my considered opinion that the author of both statements is a spinster b!tch that is frustrated that she cannot find a local student for her to "tutor".

A "type" profile will reveal that she worships St Kerry at the Gore altar. She will consider TAYRAYZA as the ultimate social Diva.

It will be found that she shaves neither legs nor armpits and is total agreement with Mo Dowd that men are intimidated by "intelligent, powerful women" which she is neither.

Semper Disgusted.

542 posted on 12/26/2005 6:13:50 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: Conservatrix
"Maybe it is about standing up for what she believes to be true, in the face of unpopular opinion."

"The teacher is a Christian, conservative republican."

"She is a right-wing person, not a leftist."

All of the above quotes are yours.

Considering the fact that you seem to have a lot of personal information about this teacher, and considering your tagline, ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything."), there is a question here begging to be asked.

Are you this teacher?

543 posted on 12/26/2005 6:15:13 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Conservatrix

What an interesting thread!

I must admit, I am confused by some of the arguments being offered here.

On the one hand, many people are saying that "Santa Claus" is a myth (like The Illiad), or a fantasy story and thus there is no harm in teaching about him. After all, the Iliad is taught in school, as are fantasy tales like "The Lord of the Rings".

However, children don't believe those things are true. If something is a myth, children are told that it is a myth and when I was a child, it was stressed that myths are not true.

On the other hand, much of the anger directed at this teacher seems to be precisely because she taught Santa as a myth, a fantasy tale, and not the truth.

If Santa is a myth, then what is wrong with calling him that?

Do people teach their children that Frodo and Sam are real people?


544 posted on 12/26/2005 6:17:28 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: Conservatrix
She is a right-wing person, not a leftist.

Ah, WRONG.

This belief structure does not reflect the values and structure of a consevative. OBTW, nether does yours. A 6 yearold, is, a 6 year old. She did not have the right to fly in the face of tradition with her actions. Sorry bitchy, you're WRONG!

Semper Disgusted

545 posted on 12/26/2005 6:19:39 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: Dont Mention the War
You do know, of course, that the modern image of Santa Claus has grown out of the practice of shamanism in Northern Scandinavia (right down to modern times, and then some).

Just because you have no understanding of that religion does not mean it doesn't exist.

546 posted on 12/26/2005 6:21:23 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Conservatrix
Why the ***% is Santa being taught in public school as a religion?

You ignorant troll! Where, exactly in your precious article and rebuttal article is that little factoid expressed?????

Semper Outraged

547 posted on 12/26/2005 6:22:42 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: Conservatrix
No, scripted from the heart and conscience of someone willing to live by what they believe to be true.

And apparently particularly desirous of forcing that distorted belief structure on 6 year olds.

Remember, you reap what you sew.

Semper Disgusted

548 posted on 12/26/2005 6:25:19 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: DameAutour

See my post #536.


549 posted on 12/26/2005 6:25:29 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

I agree with your post, I think the teacher should have voiced her objections to the school board, not the children.

But this doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

I am questioning the people who compare Santa Claus to the myths we freely teach our children, yet these same people don't want anyone to actually say Santa is a myth.


550 posted on 12/26/2005 6:30:08 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: Jim Noble

Your post made me cry.


551 posted on 12/26/2005 6:35:09 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: MineralMan; Conservatrix
Santa is not a fact. Santa is a myth for toddlers. Had this teacher not told the real story of Santa, they'd have heard it anyhow within a year from their fellow students.

My parents never had some great talk with me to 'come clean' about Santa... we were always told we were free to doubt he exists whenever we wanted to stop getting presents from him :~D

I still believe in Santa. I'm in my thirties. :~D

Conservatrix, this whole statement is tedious self-important grandstanding... Saving these children's souls by blowing the lid of Santa Claus! Gee there's a worthy mission! "Zealously-guarded idol" my butt. How about "a tradition that is a lot of fun till someone like you pisses on it".

Hope you stubbed your toe on Christmas :~D

552 posted on 12/26/2005 6:39:31 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: DameAutour

I understood precisely what you were saying and there is no comparison.


553 posted on 12/26/2005 6:42:25 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Palladin

Our Jewish neighbors celebrate Christmas as well.


554 posted on 12/26/2005 6:54:23 PM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: muawiyah
Just because you have no understanding of that religion does not mean it doesn't exist.

The lineage of the Santa Claus character is of zero relevance here, unless you can produce some evidence that administrators of the school district involved in this case are themselves practitioners of that particular branch of shamanism and are intentionally ordering teachers to include multiple references to Santa Claus in their curriculums for the express purpose of leading impressionable young minds towards joining said religion.

If this turns out to be the case, I'll be happy to discuss the matter further. Otherwise, the inclusion of this wildly famous work of poetry in the lesson plan has no more religious meaning than the average algebra equation.

555 posted on 12/26/2005 7:00:21 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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To: DameAutour
....yet these same people don't want anyone to actually say Santa is a myth.

Exactly what makes you think that it is your responsibility, or, right to do so?

That level of counseling or what-have-you is reserved for the PARENTS! Not for some self-proclaiming faux-intellectual. No one asked the idiot teacher, or you for that matter, to believe anything contrary to their individual belief structure. But, you seem to find it totally acceptable to foist off your allegedly superior belief structure on others, particularly children against the desires of the parents. This is not only wrong, it is arrogant. It is reflective of a culture of the intelligensia and the old soviet "nomenklatura" thinking. Sorry Dame, you views are "nekulturney"

Semper Fi

556 posted on 12/26/2005 7:06:03 PM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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To: DameAutour
On the other hand, much of the anger directed at this teacher seems to be precisely because she taught Santa as a myth, a fantasy tale, and not the truth.

I can't speak for anyone else on this thread, but what I'm angry about is that the teacher committed an act that she had to have known would be emotionally upsetting to at least some of the young children she was teaching, and went ahead and did it anyway. She is quite free to believe as she wishes, and live her own life however she desires. But when she sends a bunch of six-year-old kids home crying to their parents and then tries to play a "freedom of expression" card to save herself when she gets called on the carpet for it, there's a problem.

557 posted on 12/26/2005 7:06:49 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; onyx
I think she's taking a serpent handling break.

LOLOL!

Onyx! Snake-handling ping!

558 posted on 12/26/2005 7:09:59 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Conservatrix
Looks like someone didn't get what she wanted at Christmas and has been pissed off since.

This pervert "teacher" gets off on inflicting emotional pain on little children and hides behind some high-minded "light of truth" defense to wiggle away from any condemnation.

Far from having any understanding of human social dynamics, she's even further from empathizing with the hearts and spirits of young children. Their needs to dream and have wonder, fantasy and play in their lives.

If justice had any presence in this state, or our society, her license to teach would be ripped from her grasp and she'd be listed with the authorities under a form of Megan's Law registration.

I sure hope she can't breed.

559 posted on 12/26/2005 7:12:14 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: Trident/Delta
Hi! I checked back on this thread and see you and I share the same opinion about this sour woman.

I don'[t see you hee very often anymore. I hope your Christmas was wonderful. Have a happy new year!

560 posted on 12/26/2005 7:12:43 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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