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To: joesbucks
What of out ability to display our faith in public places or discusss or faith in the public arena such as schools. All controled by man.

It is ultimately controlled by you and/or obedience to your God, not others - - if you are really a “believer” as you say. In the Bible, Yeshua said you cannot serve two masters and that the power given to torture and execute him were not of this earth.

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The founder has not interceded.

That is what the crucifixion of Yeshua is and the Holy Spirit is all about - - divine intercession.

Look, if you want to argue Christian Biblical doctrine, you had better read it first, because you obviously haven't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

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Again for every right granted to Moses, those can be controlled and given or taken at the whim of the ruler at any time.

Again, you are wrong. Moses was not granted anything, he was commanded, and he obeyed. The power was not his to give, but his to receive, as it was for the Jews in captivity.

(Later, some of them chose to worship the Golden Calf and many were destroyed. This is why we still have “liberal” Jews today - - many still worship a Golden Calf.)

Moses escaped the slaughter of all Hebrew first born ordered by Pharaoh and was set adrift to be taken into the royal household.

Passover, the killing of the Egyptian first born was not subject to the rule of Pharaoh, nor was it carried out by Moses. It was an angel sent by God to punish Pharaoh.

You cannot believe all men are equal if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly monarch. Illogical.

You cannot believe all men are a creation of God if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly ruler. Illogical.

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My overall judgement from the ultimate judge will be for a job well done.

You make the conceited assumption you have the power to save yourself. Keep digging... Gehenna is down there somewhere...

777 posted on 12/31/2005 4:35:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
What of out ability to display our faith in public places or discusss or faith in the public arena such as schools. All controled by man.

It is ultimately controlled by you and/or obedience to your God, not others - - if you are really a “believer” as you say. In the Bible, Yeshua said you cannot serve two masters and that the power given to torture and execute him were not of this earth.

I do display my faith whereever. I don't need to have a daily prayer in school or a nativity scene on the statehouse to display my faith. I speak of my faith daily. But so many like you tell of the stealing of the rights to display faith. I don't need the government to grant that. So if you extrapolate that, then yes, we are probably closer to the Creator given rights than you would ever believe. But so many like you believe the government has infringed on those rights. Thus my thesis that those rights were given by the government and thus can and are often taken away.

The founder has not interceded.

That is what the crucifixion of Yeshua is and the Holy Spirit is all about - - divine intercession.

Look, if you want to argue Christian Biblical doctrine, you had better read it first, because you obviously haven't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

Actually, the word in the first sentence should have been Creator instead of founder which you correctly recognized.

Yes it is divine intercession. But it does not always apply to our life and time on earth. Otherwise, why would the slaves be held in bondage? Some, clearly were treated well, most others were not. Why then did the Creator, at least in the short term, fail to provide corrective intercession? Because they were protected under the divine intercession. But that intercession is not always about this life, because the monarchs can and do ebb and flow with the Creators intentions.

What of those who currently live under repressive regimes who from womb to tomb will only live under repression at best? Where is their intercession? As we are endowed with certain rights by our Creator, then so to are they.

You cannot believe all men are equal if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly monarch. Illogical.

Our equality allows us to hear and if we choose heed the word. Our equality begins with our souls being clean and untarnished. From there it is up to us as to whether to keep those souls clean.

778 posted on 12/31/2005 7:14:34 AM PST by joesbucks
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