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Who Killed Pat Tillman?
The Humanist ^ | January/February 2006 | Michael I. Niman

Posted on 12/26/2005 3:38:48 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Semi Civil Servant

Put Wesley and Kerrey together and you get Kerley or Werrey.


41 posted on 12/26/2005 4:36:07 PM PST by moog
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I suspected at the time that the left would take out Tillman for the expected anti-wot propaganda value. If they did, then this would be the typical "beat them to the accusation" tactic that they use habitually.


42 posted on 12/26/2005 4:37:47 PM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Jim_Curtis

"beat them to the accusation


Say that phrase real fast and it provides a more realistic picture.


43 posted on 12/26/2005 4:39:32 PM PST by moog
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is general agreement that Tillman was killed in a friendly fire incident. Unfortunately, from time to time that happens. The rest of it is complete out of left field, and I don't believe a word of it without seeing some better evidence than this creep.

"painted by dutiful media whores like Ann Coulter."

How nice.


44 posted on 12/26/2005 4:42:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Got it. But I had to look for it.

After joining up, however, they weren't shipped off to Afghanistan, where they believed terrorists were holed up, but to Iraq to fight in a newly minted war that didn't exist when they signed away control of their lives ... he returned from Afghanistan, where he eventually wound up after serving his tour in Iraq.

This article is confusing. I'm still skeptical.

45 posted on 12/26/2005 4:44:38 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Laura and I send our best wishes for a happy Kwanzaa." -President George W. Bush 12/19/2005)
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To: manwiththehands
I understood that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan, but this story says Iraq.

Where does it say that? Pls quote.

46 posted on 12/26/2005 4:48:09 PM PST by paulat
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Bush has the support of a compliant press?!

Ann Coulter is a media whore?!!

That don't make a lick of sense.

The Pentagon, as it did with the Jessica Lynch story. . . .

I'll have to depend upon my memory to dispute this employee of Buffalo State College's story. Though registered I now find it difficult to access W-P stories.

The Pentagon never presented Private Lynch as a hero. A couple of employees of The Washington Post splashed the story of her "fighting to the death" on the front pages based upon a female army officer's feeeeeeling that that is what happened. No one knew at the time the real story.

As far as the Tillman family's tragic loss I can only say that if you are doing heroic things and tragically die by "friendly fire" it does not subtract from your heroism, IMO.

Not getting a consistent story out of the Pentagon does torment the Tillman family. But to say the confusion was intentional is wrong, IMO.

One thing that struck me about searching for info on the story was the use of the word "fratricide" -- a word that the employee of Buffalo State College jumped on given the word's conotation.

I did manage to get access to one old W-P story. The "news" article used the word fratricide. "Friendly" fire is bad enough -- but fratricide?! Why not "fragging" or is that too Viet Nam?

A quick search for info on the employee of Buffalo State College suggests to me that he is not without an agenda.

Now his typings make sense.

47 posted on 12/26/2005 4:50:32 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: Txsleuth
Of course it's a "doctored" photo, but all's fair when someone says what he did about Ann Coulter. This guy is a complete crack pot. In a previous writing, he claimed President Bush had Paul Wellstone assassinated.


48 posted on 12/26/2005 4:50:51 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The author makes it sound as if Tillman was the only casualty on the mission. There was another Ranger who was injured also and was very lucky to still be alive. He was grazed in the face. It he was fragged wouldn't he be the only one shot during the mission?
49 posted on 12/26/2005 4:51:11 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

Tillman's parents have been very outspoken. And they did, if the SF Chronicle isn't lying, confirm he was going to meet with Chomsky.


50 posted on 12/26/2005 4:58:30 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

He may well have had a pending meeting but it doesn't change that fact that he wasn't the only one hit.


51 posted on 12/26/2005 5:09:08 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

The Afghan interpreter next to Tillman was also killed (who happened to be without a helmet).


52 posted on 12/26/2005 5:15:11 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Michael I. Niman is a professor of journalism at Buffalo State College in New York.

Didn't read thru all the responses so this may be a repeat ... a professor of journalism from a obscure upstate NY (blue state) college is pushing a new BS theory that Tillman was a anti-Bush liberal serving in harms way ... yeah right, give me a f***ing break.

53 posted on 12/26/2005 5:19:28 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: roostercogburn
It is obvious what the left is trying to do here; they are attempting take a hero of the right and claim him for the left. According to the left, Tillman was going to pull a "John Kerry" and serve a few months in the war, then come home to trash his comrades and the war effort as did the Democrat's all time hero, John Kerry. But alas, Tillman's comrades "Swift Boated" him.

The pity of it is, with the largely feeble minded Democrat constituency, this makes perfect sense to them.
54 posted on 12/26/2005 5:21:18 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Paul Ross

Yes. There were two other soldiers injured. One came very close to being a KIA also. According to the story in the SF news the most damaging statements have been made by the soldier who was discharged due tot he incident.


55 posted on 12/26/2005 5:24:55 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom
I flat out wonder if he was bribed by our "friends" in the SF Chronicle...

Notice how Scott Ritter also changed his tune "big time" after he was given a big wad by Iraq....

56 posted on 12/26/2005 5:28:20 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: armymarinemom

Um, the Army said it was fratricide... er, Pat's brother was in the same platoon....do you think? Naw, can't be.


57 posted on 12/26/2005 5:28:21 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: Paul Ross

Sounds more like the Soldier who got the ax is trying to cover his backside and blame someone else.


58 posted on 12/26/2005 5:29:54 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: paulat

"After joining up, however, they weren't shipped off to Afghanistan, where they believed terrorists were holed up, but to Iraq to fight in a newly minted war that didn't exist when they signed away control of their lives."


59 posted on 12/26/2005 5:31:33 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: Theresawithanh

He died in Afghanistan...pls read the article.

There are controversial points in the article...but it CLEARLY states he died in Afghanistan.

...sheesh...


60 posted on 12/26/2005 5:33:30 PM PST by paulat
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