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To: ndt
Correct, but warrantless wiretapping is never mentioned in the Constitution, it is not a a power granted by the Constitution.

That's why the FISA Act and the Patriot Act are careful to use the term of art "foreign intelligence information." THis is not the same thing as "intelligence" in general. At any rate, the "foreign" aspect of that is inserted to facilitate the statute tracking established case law and the historical understanding of the Constitution.

The President's power to unilaterally use force is strongest (least apt to be questioned) when directed to an extra-territorial enemy of the state. The War on Terror rasies some issues as to the limits of unchecked executive power that have heretofor not been carefully probed. IMO, it is unreasonable to expect the limits of conduct to be accurately described by statute, because the people have a more flexible notion of what it takes to "get 'r' done" than statutes can account for.

I actually think it is healthy to the Republic, in the long run, for some officials to overstep their bounds from time to time. That gives opportunities to exercize the corrective measures in the Constitution. If the system isn't exercised, it atrophies. See, e.g., the reluctance on the part of Congress to impeach judges.

If the people are okay with Kelo, Roe, and assorted other incursions, then that is the regulation they will get from their government.

556 posted on 12/29/2005 9:33:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
"IMO, it is unreasonable to expect the limits of conduct to be accurately described by statute, because the people have a more flexible notion of what it takes to "get 'r' done" than statutes can account for."

In this case however, limits of conduct by the president during war are explicitly described in statute.

From FISA 1811. Authorization during time of war

"Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress."

So the question is one of can Congress limit presidential discretion and to what degree. As I read it, it has been decided that they can as far as those limits do not impose on his constitutional powers. If ever a case justified being heard by the Supreme Court, this is it, it is a purely constitutional issue.
557 posted on 12/29/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by ndt
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