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Canada blames U.S. for gun violence
cnn ^ | 12-27-05

Posted on 12/27/2005 6:24:20 PM PST by LouAvul

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

"I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

"What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

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Couldn't be because they are soft on criminals, could it?

Nor because they make it difficult for their citizens to own defensive weapons?

Nah. Must be the Americans.

(sarcasm=off)

1 posted on 12/27/2005 6:24:21 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Do you suppose immigration policy may have any bearing on this violence?


2 posted on 12/27/2005 6:25:19 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: LouAvul
Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States...

Dream on, Canuckleheads.

3 posted on 12/27/2005 6:25:54 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: B Knotts

Any word on the -- er -- uh -- ethnic identity of the shooter?


4 posted on 12/27/2005 6:26:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: LouAvul

Then maybe their laws should be like ours and the gun crimes will leave their country also!


5 posted on 12/27/2005 6:27:15 PM PST by eyespysomething (this space intentionally left blank......oh crud)
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To: LouAvul

Canookistan ?

They wear too many coats this time of the year to worry about bullets don't they ?


6 posted on 12/27/2005 6:27:32 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: LouAvul

lost its innocence

Somebody forgot the Puke Alert Sign!!! I'm telling the Mods!!!


7 posted on 12/27/2005 6:28:13 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: Travis McGee

So sorry, but they don't have ethnic identities in Canada, they are just one big happy diverse family. (Until the shooting breaks out.)


8 posted on 12/27/2005 6:28:58 PM PST by newcthem (9/11- not terrorists - just troubled youths.)
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To: LouAvul
Canada blames U.S. for gun violence

Were the shooters from the US?

9 posted on 12/27/2005 6:29:01 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: LouAvul

All I can say is that the Canadians should stop emulating the US.


10 posted on 12/27/2005 6:29:47 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: LouAvul

How do you "export" violence? What kind of a cargo container does it get transported in? Does USEXIM provide financing for such exports?


11 posted on 12/27/2005 6:29:56 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: LouAvul

I suppose we could stop contracting, er, I mean outsourcing our auto parts manufacturing industry to them.


12 posted on 12/27/2005 6:30:21 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: LouAvul
Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

That is 77 more than my county has had the last TWO years.

13 posted on 12/27/2005 6:30:21 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("What does a guy have to do to get fired around here?" - Darryl Rogers, former Lions Coach)
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To: DTogo

And I blame Canada for Exporting MetroSexualism.


14 posted on 12/27/2005 6:30:48 PM PST by stocksthatgoup ("It's inexcusable to tell us to 'connect the dots' and not give us the tools to do so." G W Bush)
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To: LouAvul

Guns are walking the streets stalking helpless peace-loving citizens.


15 posted on 12/27/2005 6:31:04 PM PST by Ben Mugged
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To: LouAvul

Take away the guns and the only ones with guns are the criminals. Live or die by your laws.


16 posted on 12/27/2005 6:31:49 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: lesser_satan

Toronto, Ontario exports 100% of it's trash to Wayne County Michigan. Windsor's casino's are supported by U.S. residents. This is bullroar.


17 posted on 12/27/2005 6:31:49 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: LouAvul

I blame Canada for rampant sodomy.


18 posted on 12/27/2005 6:32:09 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: B Knotts

Why should it? They have kissed the asses of every group of people in the world with no regard to their place of birth. Their only requirement is that they come to Canada and hate the West.


19 posted on 12/27/2005 6:32:20 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: LouAvul
Two suspects were arrested and at least one firearm was seized soon after the shootings Monday. Kyriacou said it was an illegal handgun.

But failed to offer proof that it was imported from the US.

20 posted on 12/27/2005 6:32:31 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Travis McGee

I wasn't referring to any particular incident...just wondering about the effect of Canadian immigration (and especially asylum) policy on the violent crime rate in Toronto.


21 posted on 12/27/2005 6:33:04 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: LouAvul
I don't read CNN Scread (normally)

Not disappointed, they live up to their Standard

Anti-American, Anti-Gun, their Government knows best (sarc)



PS
(Canadians need to remember they are Americans too!)
22 posted on 12/27/2005 6:33:35 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Travis McGee

>>Any word on the -- er -- uh -- ethnic identity of the shooter?

The only pic I saw, of one of the perps being arrested, showed only the back of the guy's head. You couldn't see face, you couldn't see hands or arms, only hair.


23 posted on 12/27/2005 6:33:43 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Travis McGee

black. Suprise???


24 posted on 12/27/2005 6:33:49 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: B Knotts

Lets take over that country one Saturday and begin dumping our garbage there on Monday.


25 posted on 12/27/2005 6:34:02 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: LouAvul

""It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto,"

So close the border and utopia will be restored....sheesh, what's so hard about that?


26 posted on 12/27/2005 6:34:34 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: B Knotts

As I understand it, Jamaican and other imported groups are responsible for most of Canadian "gun crime."


27 posted on 12/27/2005 6:34:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: LouAvul
The arrogance of the statements by the Canadians in this article are appalling.

Do they really believe they are a people without sin? What hubris.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

28 posted on 12/27/2005 6:35:00 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: LouAvul

Leave it to a leftist moonbat to blame someone else for a problem THEY caused. I hear Canada is planning to tighten up even MORE on the gun control. Yeah, THAT'LL learn those criminals. Worked so well in Britain.


29 posted on 12/27/2005 6:35:04 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: LouAvul

I'd kill people too if I lived in Canada...


30 posted on 12/27/2005 6:35:16 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: TexasTransplant
Scread = Screed
31 posted on 12/27/2005 6:36:05 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: new yorker 77

LOL!


32 posted on 12/27/2005 6:36:36 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: LouAvul

How many years have we been on their southern border? And only NOW we've become a bad influence? LOL, guess they have to blame somebody.


33 posted on 12/27/2005 6:37:04 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: LouAvul
Cradle to grave social programs result in higher amounts of violence by disaffected youth who don't have to look to either the present or the future because someone else will take care of them and their family.

It has happened everywhere these grand social experiments have been tried, and not happened where it wasn't. The guns have nothing to do with it, nor what countries are next door.

Add in ethnic mixes where everyone's culture is supposed to be valid and you have a mini-UN on every block, and we all know how great that worked out.
34 posted on 12/27/2005 6:38:14 PM PST by kingu
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To: LouAvul

This is a problem of gangs, not guns. Violent crime needs much harsher penalties. Bring back the death penalty in Canada and start eliminating these scum from the gene pool. Sorry, but criminals have a tendency to make more criminals, either by association or birthright. Removing my civil liberties because they refuse to deal with criminals properly really pisses me off.


35 posted on 12/27/2005 6:39:43 PM PST by M203M4 ( MERRY BOXING DAY)
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To: LouAvul

File this one in the old "I don't give a rats ass" file.


36 posted on 12/27/2005 6:39:53 PM PST by GianniV
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To: LouAvul

Were the guns apprehended?


37 posted on 12/27/2005 6:40:58 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: LouAvul
John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, says the number of guns smuggled from the United States is a problem, but that Canada has a gang problem -- not a gun problem -- and that Canada should stop pointing the finger at the United States.

"It's a cop out. It's an easy way of looking at one symptom rather than addressing a whole disease," Thompson said.

Exactly. And in that way, the same as the U.S. If you take the gang (and even then, mostly inter-gang) violence out of the statistics you will find that violent crime in even the largest U.S. cities is very low-- except for that gang-related crime.

Nowhere in Canada (or the rest of the world for that matter) has there been anything even remotely like the inner city gang culture that has infested our cities. As that cancerous subculture is allowed to take root elsewhere, they'll see similar results.

38 posted on 12/27/2005 6:41:31 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: LouAvul
Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

I guess the U.S. efforts to double shooting deaths in one year in Canada have been working. /sarcasm

What logic!

39 posted on 12/27/2005 6:41:38 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (The Main Stream Media: Al-Qaeda's most effective spy network.)
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To: LouAvul

Instead of America perhaps the Canadians should take an honest look at their Jamaican immigrants.


40 posted on 12/27/2005 6:41:50 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: LouAvul
While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

You mean outlawing the Bible's "hate speech" would hasn't made all Canadians love each other more?

41 posted on 12/27/2005 6:44:25 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: LouAvul
"...allowing guns to flood across the border...

Well, they can't blame lil ol' New Hampshire, 'cause Boston's Mayor "Mumbles" Menino already blamed New Hampshire guns for the rise in homicides in his city.

(Besides, we keep our guns up here in NH...)

43 posted on 12/27/2005 6:45:59 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: McGavin999
I'll trade them Marin County CA, Seattle, and Massachusetts for Manitoba, Alberta, and Saskatchewan.

Pass me another Mooshead, eh hoser?

44 posted on 12/27/2005 6:46:38 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: Ben Mugged

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45 posted on 12/27/2005 6:46:56 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: Travis McGee
Well, I kind of suspected there may be some relation to Canada's aggressive remaking of itself via immigration policies.

The problem is that they know very well what's causing the crime rate to go up, yet they publicly blame us for our gun policies.

46 posted on 12/27/2005 6:47:41 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: LouAvul

47 posted on 12/27/2005 6:47:43 PM PST by xrp (My current list of worshippers: MNJohnnie)
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To: RFEngineer
So close the border and utopia will be restored....

Exactly right. I believe the Canadians should take all of the money they have been spending on the outdated idea of a standing military and build a really good fence...no, a wall on their southern border!

48 posted on 12/27/2005 6:48:15 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Bush lied, people dyed....their fingers.)
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To: SkyPilot

Not possible for a liberal to be ashamed of anything!!!!


49 posted on 12/27/2005 6:48:38 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: LouAvul
Canadian officials, seeking to make sense

or excuse?

Doogle

50 posted on 12/27/2005 6:48:58 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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