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Sacco and Vanzetti: The truth finally becomes public
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Posted on 12/28/2005 9:06:32 AM PST by mcvey

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61 posted on 12/28/2005 11:52:29 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back, or a fool from any side.”)
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To: Adrastus
Many historians seem to subscribe to the idea that it's prefectly acceptable to pick an event in the past and fictionalize your way to it.

Yep, and if you don't believe it just watch Jim Kehrer on PBS interview them.

62 posted on 12/28/2005 11:54:11 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: annalex
Now billions of former Soviet citizens who grew up gnawing on Sakko i Vantsetti pencils will have to be reeducated.

Alongside with bunch of US College professors -:))))) Unfortunately, socialists and socialist leaning liberals are not bothered with facts. For them any crime in the name of socialist utopia is justified.

63 posted on 12/28/2005 12:10:32 PM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973
ambitious Park-City development behind the Ukraina Hotel. The 14.3-hectare site, now occupied by the 120-year-old Badayevsky brewery and Sacco & Vanzetti pencil factory, will be turned into a 400,000-square-meter residential development that will include office and retail components. While the Soviet-era walls of Sacco & Vanzetti will be torn down, Badayevsky's ornate, gingerbread-house-like facades are protected as an architectural treasure and will be preserved.

Turning Old Factories Into Prime Property

This is that factory's backdoor, although the photographer was mostly interested in the locomotive. Which is a very well preserved pencil hauler.



Fly forward, our steamer, next stop is the Commune!
No other way exists for us, in our hands we have a rifle!

64 posted on 12/28/2005 12:26:03 PM PST by annalex
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To: Gay State Conservative
The media was only part of the reason why the senior Senator from Chappaquiddick got away with it.
So give us the goods! Those of us in Texas don't understand Massachuetts at all. From our perspective, it looks like you guys always elect the biggest doofus socialist rich jerk with shady connections.

65 posted on 12/28/2005 12:27:56 PM PST by DallasMike (Call me Dallasaurus)
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To: Jhensy

Oswald may be the biggest commie rat of all, but if he really did act alone, and I don't think he did, he'd be one of the greatest marksmen ever to lift a rifle.

Marine Corp. Hall of Fame material.


66 posted on 12/28/2005 1:43:57 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: aculeus

Isn't the conventionsl wisdom now that Dr. Sam Sheppard was NOT GUILTY? It was a handyman who worked on the Sheppard properties who killed Mrs. Sheppard, and the handyman died five or six years ago. So Dr. Sheppard was an adulterer but not a murderer, right or wrong? I know that the Sheppard son has been trying to collect wrongful-conviction money from the OH taxpayers.


67 posted on 12/28/2005 1:50:32 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

And there have been some elections where EMK was the "conservative" candidate, as the MA GOP ran its own hard socialist slates.


68 posted on 12/28/2005 1:51:24 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: the final gentleman

Nah, those two events were just hushed up.


69 posted on 12/28/2005 2:43:47 PM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: Theodore R.

IMO Sheppard's explanation that a stranger came into his house knocked him out -- twice -- and beat his pregnant wife to death is utterly unbelievable.

Sheppard had a life after prison, including a two more wives, one of whom accused him of violence.

At the end of his life Sheppard was drinking a fifth of vodka daily. IMO he was already into alcoholism when he killed his wife probably in a drunken rage.

Alternatively, it is remotely possible that the handyman was hired by Sheppard to actually kill the wife but it is not possible -- IMO -- that the killer could only manage to knock out the man of the house but kill the woman.


70 posted on 12/28/2005 3:19:37 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Theodore R.

As a matter of fact, both Sacco and Vanzetti are still registered voters in Braintree, and have voted often for EMK.


71 posted on 12/28/2005 5:27:49 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: DallasMike
Those of us in Texas don't understand Massachuetts at all. From our perspective, it looks like you guys always elect the biggest doofus socialist rich jerk with shady connections.

The short (and incomplete) answer goes something like this:

The large majority of voters in Massachusetts live in "greater Boston"(this is is a very small state).Perhaps the most important "industries" of the Boston/Cambridge area are its hospitals and its large,"progressive" colleges (Harvard,MIT,Tufts,BU,BC,etc,etc).

*Many* of the people who live in "greater Boston" were educated at one of these schools and/or have some kind of current affiliation with them (faculty,administration,etc)

So if you come to understand how this nation's "progressive" colleges came under the control of leftists and that that control continues to this day,you'll understand why Massachusetts routinely elects swill like Kennedy,Kerry,Dukakis and the rest.

72 posted on 12/29/2005 5:19:54 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative

Thanks for explaining how higher education is a "big business" and political force in MA. I have met two persons from MA in the past decade: both were dismayed at the trends in their state. They feel politically isolated and unable to correct the problems there. MA has come a long way since the days of President Coolidge and even Senator JFK.


73 posted on 12/29/2005 6:10:13 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: aculeus

Thanks for your insight in the Sheppard case. I was under the apparently false impression that the second trial in 1966, with cleared him, was the final word on the story. I read some more on this case on several website and am now more confused than ever as to whether Dr. Sheppard committed the murder(s).


74 posted on 12/29/2005 6:12:02 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: sergey1973

You know, that is an interesting observation. Several months ago I had a department chair in one of the fuzzier social sciences walk up to me and say "isnt't there anything you could give me so that I could tell my students that the founders were not in favor of individualism."

Truly a collectivist turning her students into collectivism of the most mean-tempered and arrogant type.

McVey


75 posted on 12/29/2005 11:00:59 AM PST by mcvey
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To: Theodore R.
now more confused than ever as to whether Dr. Sheppard committed the murder(s).

Theodore, for crying out loud. Everyone knows it was a one-armed, bushy-haired stranger! Waddaya live in a cave? Come on, dude, rent some videos!

76 posted on 12/29/2005 7:31:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: dead
"In 1977, Dingbat Massachussetts Governor Michael Dukakis proclaimed August 23 "Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti Day."

Oh No!!!

Not the Tank Commander!!!

Say it isn't so, Dead!

77 posted on 12/29/2005 7:42:03 PM PST by albee ("Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: SteveJudd
The mainstream media let Kennedy off the hook in 1969, an act of absolute moral cowardice.

Teddy is a Kennedy....and, a Liberal, etc. They aren't bound by the rules the little people must follow. The elite are this country, don't you know that??

"Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world Like a Colossus, and we petty men Walk under his huge legs and peep about To find ourselves dishonourable graves."

Julius Caesar, I, ii

78 posted on 12/29/2005 7:52:24 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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