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To: BereanBrain
"How long do you suppose it would be before I could randomly generate even a simple useful program? "

I've done it. So have many others. I used a technique called evilutionary programming, or genetic algorithms.

By providing an inital set of fundamental pieces of code the technique can alayze data and create working programs.

For instance if you create a data set that provides 2 columns of data; 1 column is the area of a randomly sized circle,and the other coulumn is the corresponding radius the evolutionary algorithms can infer a relationship between the two columns and create a program that calculates the area of circle given the radius.

BTW: We did not provide it the value of pi as part of it's "pieces" of code. It calculated that ratio all on tis own.

Wonderul stuff. I suggest you do some research on it.

BTW2: I am a hard-core bible-thumping born-again Christian. I believe in the Creator. I do not believe Darwin explains the Creation of life nor the forces which drive molecules to decide they want to procreate.

The evolutionary algorithms work, but ONLY if they are given appropriate pieces of "life" to begin with, and then given a forcing function which helps decide the value of different configurations of life. The bad ones are killed, the good ones are retained and mated for a next generation.

God invented evolution, after He created life itself. No system design would be very good if it did not have an ability to adapt.

BTW3: All life forms are closely related in many ways. Evolution supports survival of the fittests which means that those characteristics which support long life and population growth are retained.

So different species have many strong points in common, except man. Man's unique strengths are singular and not found in any other species! Why? No other species has developed a spiritual nature, or the intelligence of man.

Man is unique in precisely the way God made us. Man's unique strengths cannot be explained by evolution, otherwise many other species would be on par with mankind. Dolphins would build hospitals, gorillas would worship at temples, bears would engage in bee and fish farming etc etc....

Man is man because of the spirit that God has given him.

65 posted on 12/28/2005 4:06:19 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Mark Felton

I know about evolutionary programming, i did the same experiment (calculating the value of Pi) when in grad school....here's the problem....

You are guiding the result - YOU are determing (by enforcing a rule) what is "good" and selectively pruning the results.

And supposedly this i done in the "real" world by survival of the fittest, or longer beaks, etc.... this all essentially boils down to intelligent life must exist because it can...

let me ask some simple questions - why has there not been a microrganism evolve that can simply feed on any carbon chain? Or one that defeats aging? Remember stem cells are aging immune.

Have you seen the 500 lb land tortoises on Galapagos? Darwin believed they evolved right there on the island. So if you believe in the pea soup to peacok theory of development, an IDENTICAL evolutionary trail must have been established on the other continents to form modern tortouses..... (this is because Galapagous is an island made from igneous extrusion from the sea floor, and 500 lb land tortoises are incapable of swimming from any other landmass).


108 posted on 12/28/2005 4:40:58 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Mark Felton

By providing an inital set of fundamental pieces of code the technique can alayze data and create working programs.
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Oh goodness, he is a creationist!


212 posted on 12/28/2005 6:43:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: Mark Felton

Well said.


266 posted on 12/28/2005 7:46:44 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Mark Felton
[Man is man because of the spirit that God has given him.]

Is that what is called the MIND? And isn't the mind
unique to Homo Sapiens?

392 posted on 12/28/2005 11:28:29 PM PST by cliff630 (cliff630 (Didn't Pilate ask Christ, "What is the Truth." Even while looking in the face of TRUTH))
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To: Mark Felton

Your post 65 is pretty much where I am.

But what I can't stand is the creationists insisting that evolution is wrong in its entirety and that creationism is sound science.


397 posted on 12/28/2005 11:39:13 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: Mark Felton
By providing an inital set..."

AhHA!

This is cheating! ;^)

463 posted on 12/29/2005 5:46:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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