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Global warming doubles rate of ocean rise
Eurek Alert ^ | 11.24.05 | Carl Blesch

Posted on 12/31/2005 6:28:17 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus

There is no way you can get a 1mm annual resolution from core samples. Can't be done. What I assume they did was take the total data and extrapolate to an average per year. An interesting exercise but the varability of any 200 years in 5,000 years could account for the "rise" now. The next 200 year could have no rise. Point is, insufficient data to make a conclusion that Global Warming is the cause.


41 posted on 12/31/2005 8:30:27 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: Coleus
almost two millimeters per year today compared to one millimeter annually for the past several thousand years

So for the past several thousand years the sea could be rising an average of 1.48 mm and now it is 1.51 mm. Based on the evidence given in the article that could be a true statement even though the actual difference is .03 mm.

Global ocean levels are rising twice as fast today as they were 150 years ago, and human-induced warming appears to be the culprit.

Are they saying non-human produced global warming would have no effect on ocean levels?

IIRC: I read somewhere that global warming would cause the Greenland Ice Sheet to lose mass while the Antarctic Ice Sheet might actually gain mass. Where is this extra water coming from?

42 posted on 12/31/2005 9:01:20 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Coleus

Of course, the fluctuating temperatures of the Sun have nothing to do with it.

I think it's amazing that so many scientist, looking at a teeny speck of time through what amounts to a flickering penlight, think they know everything and can make pronouncements that we're supposed to accept as holy truth.


43 posted on 12/31/2005 9:04:20 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Coleus

If this farticle is true, why the hell are we going to spend 240 billion bucks rebuilding New Orleans? It doesn't make any sense to me.


46 posted on 12/31/2005 9:36:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Coleus
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!

Someday.

47 posted on 01/01/2006 6:25:24 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Dr Stormfist

Michael Crichton is as a reliable source of info on science as Michael Moore is on politics.

ie he isnt


48 posted on 01/01/2006 6:32:52 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: hiredhand
Thanks. Credibility is the keystone of their critical assertions regarding right verus left, conservative verus liberal, and so on throught their litany of subjects each day. Unfortunately, others who have read the same do not share your understanding and keen sense of perspective.

If I spend 20 minutes detailing how ''A'' is innocent and how we know the prosecuting attorney is driven by some specific sinister motive or, one category of everyday society (like the press) is engaged in a conspiracy, and then seemlessly move into a two minute assurance that product ''B'' will grow hair on Terry Bradshaw, when we know the latter to be untrue, how do we rationalize the fervent belief in the assurances about the first things while rejecting the Bradshaw promise?

This issue wouldn't exist except for the unambiguous guarantee these purveyors of the truth offer to the public. They purport to know the unadulterrated facts and implore you and me to believe and act on the strength of what they tell us. As astounding as it sounds, we've all heard callers tell these gurus that they've stopped watching tv news and don't read the newspaper, except those hawked on the air, and get the ''news and the truth'' from the talking head. To a not insignificant degree some people who actually have a vote really do get their news in that manner.

Scream! What have devolved to?

49 posted on 01/01/2006 6:48:04 AM PST by middie
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To: Powerclam; middie
It's closely related. We're talking about the relationship between trust and credibility. ...something that climatologists and talkshow hosts seem to use to their own benefit irregardless of absolute truth.

I think the bottom line is (unfortunately) that almost everybody seems to have an agenda if you look a little farther into things and don't simply take their expertise and experience at face value. :-)
50 posted on 01/01/2006 7:20:41 AM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: bobdsmith

I love it when people talk off the cuff, thinking they are all knowing.

First off genius, MC's "State of Fear" has footnotes...you do remember what footnotes are...right? These footnotes lead to documentation that validate his arguments. Then after you've read his novel, he sums up his own opinions where he states that we really don't know enough currently to base our policies on.


51 posted on 01/01/2006 7:46:45 AM PST by Dr Stormfist
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To: Nalu
Hmm 2mm = .080 inches. We will all drowned in no time.

Yes, but look at this info from the standpoint of a newspaper headline writer or TV network newsroom:

"Annual Rate of Ocean Rise DOUBLES Due to Human-Caused Global Warming!"

A few years ago I was transferred to a new town. While stopped for a cup of coffee while house-hunting I noticed a morning newspaper headline: "Local Murder Rate Up 100% in Past Year." I found there'd been one murder that year compared with none the year before.

52 posted on 01/01/2006 8:28:17 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: middie

What?


53 posted on 01/01/2006 8:40:49 AM PST by Thickman (Voter fraud in this country must be addressed by the Congress!)
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To: Dr Stormfist
First off genius, MC's "State of Fear" has footnotes...you do remember what footnotes are...right? These footnotes lead to documentation that validate his arguments. Then after you've read his novel, he sums up his own opinions where he states that we really don't know enough currently to base our policies on.

I am well aware he uses footnotes. This however does not guarantee what you write is accurate. "The Bible Code" by Michael Drosnin has footnotes, Graham Hancocks "Fingerprints Of The Gods" has footnotes. Footnotes aren't the difference between accuracy and inaccuracy. Footnotes do not protect gainst use of selective quoting and omission of relevant facts.

Also remember hat crichton is a science-fiction writer, not a science writer.

54 posted on 01/01/2006 10:48:07 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: Dr Stormfist

Also to add: I bet Michael Moore uses footnotes too.


55 posted on 01/01/2006 10:50:25 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: hiredhand
Thanks again, Hiredhand. Trust is the result of presumed cedibility. Yet, when the talking heads are proven to have either abused the trust placed in them or, alternatively, proven to be not credible, the faithful, who desperately want to believe in, and believe, the talking head do not hesitate to disregard the breach because the falsity was something they wanted to believe and fervently wish were true. Therefore, the wish becomes father to the conclusion and the disconnected voice retains its authoritative place in their lives. The apparent breach of trust or untruthfulness of the representation thus simply doesn't matter.

The result is predictable. Knowing that, irrespective of the falsity of the representation made or the exposure of the breach of trust and without the fear of losing listeners, these talking heads can, and repeatedly do, make outlandish, false and reckless representations of fact (rather than opinion) they know to be untrue without the anxiety of potential audience loss.

The cake icing on this specie of communication fraud is their universal neat trick, the nice touch of pandering by shameless, and patently untrue, flattery by cooing that: ''...you're the world's smartest audience whom no one can fool...'' Of course, that's ''no one but me.'' Often the talking heads complain that professional athletes are paid too much for what they do; the irony is that it is they who rack up the really big bucks for telling folks what they want to hear while any confluence with truth is a nice, but superfluous, coincidence.

56 posted on 01/01/2006 12:27:25 PM PST by middie
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To: A CA Guy

"I think it is all the newly fatter people swimming in the ocean making it all rise."

It's the over breeding of whales by the "aave the whale" nuts.

Harpoon a whale, save a fat chick!



57 posted on 01/01/2006 12:33:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

"I guess there are too many SUVs on Mars"

Caused totally by the 2 rovers that we planted there.


58 posted on 01/01/2006 12:36:43 PM PST by dalereed
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To: middie

Wern't you ever taught "buyer be ware"?

If you buy and get burned by a product it's your own fault!

Things should be returned to what it was 50+ years ago, the only warenty on any product was it's sutibility for the advertised use.


59 posted on 01/01/2006 12:44:56 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

?????? Huh?


60 posted on 01/01/2006 1:00:45 PM PST by middie
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