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'John Wayne made real movies. There ain't no queer in cowboy'
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 01/01/06 | Philip Sherwell

Posted on 12/31/2005 7:16:50 PM PST by Pokey78

Jim-Bob Zimmerschied is not a happy cowboy. "They've gone and killed John Wayne with this movie," he says angrily, beer in hand. "I've been doing this job all my life and I ain't never met no gay cowboy. It wouldn't be right."

The target of Mr Zimmerschied's outburst is Brokeback Mountain, the Hollywood Western-with-a-twist that opens in London this week and is already being tipped for Oscar success.

The "gay cowboy flick", as it has been dubbed in America, is directed by Ang Lee and stars Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as two young ranch hands who begin a long-term love affair in 1963 against the stunning backdrop of Wyoming's mountains and prairies.

American critics have enthused about the film, which has topped box office takings per cinema since its limited release in large cities last month.

But the subject matter has earned condemnation from the religious Right - and caused considerable distress in rural Wyoming, bastion of the cowboy culture of unadulterated machismo.

In Sheridan, in the heart of Marlboro Country, where ranchers and cowboys still walk the streets, the Western flavour remains authentic.

Buffalo Bill used to hold auditions for his Wild West Show on the porch of the Sheridan Inn and Custer's Last Stand was fought at the nearby Little Bighorn.

On Sheridan's Main Street, the Mint Bar is a rough and ready institution with a large neon sign of a cowboy riding a bucking bull outside and the heads of stuffed moose, elk and buffalo lining the wooden walls within.

It was here that the writer Annie Proulx had the inspiration for the short story on which the film is based. It was "generated by years and years of subliminal observation," she said in a recent interview. "But the incident that actually made me start writing it was one night when I was the Mint Bar. There was a ranch hand I used to see. This guy was back leaning against the wall by the pool tables. The bar was packed with good-looking women, and he wasn't looking at them - he was watching the guys. He was about 60, and he watched them with a kind of subdued hunger that made me wonder if he was country gay." The film has yet to play in Sheridan and the cinema manager says only that he "might" screen it. If he does, the audience is likely to be limited.

Flushed by Bud Lite, Mr Zimmerschied, a squat walrus-moustachioed man in a hat and check shirt, was in full flow. "John Wayne and Will Rogers, they made real cowboy movies. They portrayed us like we are. There ain't no queer in cowboy and I don't care for anyone suggesting there is."

When he was distracted by one of the two bar-room brawls - both apparently unrelated to the Brokeback Mountain issue - an even drunker young man stepped up to the plate. "If you gave me the choice between watching that movie and being hung by the neck, I'd tie the noose myself," he slurred.

But away from the bellicose posturing, a more subtle view emerged. Dave Miller, 48, a rancher in regulation black cowboy hat, leather waistcoat, blue jeans and boots, said: "It's not the sort of movie that I'd go to see, but this is America and people can watch whatever they want." Nonetheless, he repeated the common refrain that he had never encountered a gay cowboy. "Well, not that I knew," he added. "I just don't think our way of life is conducive to them." And like many others, his concern was that the film would give the wrong impression of life in the West.

Samantha Foster, who moved to Sheridan from cosmopolitan Seattle after marrying a local, was one of the few who said she would go to see the film. "I think it's an age thing and a sex thing," she said. "The older generation don't accept this sort of thing and it makes a lot of men uneasy.

Her husband, Jeremy, seemed less sure. "I wouldn't want to be seen going to see that film. I don't want people to get the wrong impression. I might watch it on DVD, I guess," he said.

One woman quietly disclosed that one of the area's biggest ranchers had a lesbian daughter. "It's just that nobody talks about it," she whispered.

While the patrons in the Mint Bar may be convinced that they have never met a homosexual cowboy, the popularity of the gay rodeo circuit in America is proof that they exist. "I was born gay and I was born a cowboy," said Mike Yocum, a rodeo enthusiast from Oklahoma.

"I grew up in a saddle. It's horsesh*t to say there's no such thing as a gay cowboy, but it's a very touchy subject."

Few want to go public in Wyoming. An exception is Derek Glover, 33, a rancher's son who lives in the small town of Lusk. "Folks round here just don't believe that cowboys can be gay," he said. "I wish people could be a little more open-minded, but I don't see that happening for a long time. It makes me mad that they don't approve of me, but what can I do? I'm just one person. This is smalltown America. I don't think this movie's going to make any difference."

Just north of Sheridan, Padlock Ranch is one of the 10 biggest cattle farms in America and stretches out beneath the snow-capped Bighorn mountain range.

Lee Hagel, 47, who was herding cattle there last week, had his own objections to the film. "They aren't even cowboys - they're sheep herders," he said witheringly. "You can't just put a hat on someone and say they're a cowboy."

And for pragmatic reasons, he is also troubled by plans to market Wyoming to gay holidaymakers. "We got a big influx of tourists after the Urban Cowboy film came out and all that happened was prices for boots and hats doubled as they were buying them all up. Let's hope that doesn't happen again."

Meanwhile, one Mint Bar regular offered a suggestion for another film about same-sex romance on the range. "A movie about two women would be different," he said. "I wouldn't mind that at all."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: barebackmountain; brokeback; dallashomos; deviants; hollyweird; hollywoodleft; homosexual; homosexualagenda; perverts; pokecrackmountin; queers; rumprangers; turdburglars
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To: dsc

Oh, my goodness. Gunny Foley was right.


41 posted on 12/31/2005 7:58:20 PM PST by RichInOC ("Which one are you? I don't see no horns on you...")
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To: RichInOC

"Oh, my goodness. Gunny Foley was right."

Sorry, you lost me on that one.


42 posted on 12/31/2005 7:59:41 PM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: lawnguy
Has anyone actually seen this movie?

Good God, no! I won't even watch the commercial; whenever it comes on I flip channel asap.

43 posted on 12/31/2005 8:01:43 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Pokey78
"They've gone and killed John Wayne with this movie,"

They may not succeed but this is indeed the purpose of the movie--to deconstruct an icon of the white male hegemony. As I understand it, the movie actually is not about cowboys at all but sheep-herders. Yet the persistence of this distortion to "cowboy" in the media is proof that the movie's agenda is to target the image of the free, masculine, independent American man.

Another way of putting it, for gutsier freepers is, the Hollywoodies want to castrate George Bush and this movie is as close as they can get.

44 posted on 12/31/2005 8:02:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BW2221

Oscars, Golden Globe Awards, Pulitzers, Nobel Peace Prize...all thoroughly discredited by the moral lepers of the left.


45 posted on 12/31/2005 8:05:20 PM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: Pokey78

The sequel will be called 'Brokeback Card and Gift Shop"


46 posted on 12/31/2005 8:05:24 PM PST by keithtoo (Leftists/Democrats - Traitors, Haters and Vacillators)
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To: dsc
Gunnery Sergeant Axel Foley, as played by Louis Gossett, Jr., in "Officer and a Gentlemen". The Gunny is in the process of berating Sid Worley (David Keith) for calling him "you":

"Where are you from...Oklahoma? Only two things come out of Oklahoma - steers and queers. Which one are you, boy? I don't see no horns on you, so you must be a queer!"

47 posted on 12/31/2005 8:06:03 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stop eyeballing me, or I'll rip your eyeballs out and skull**** you to death.")
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To: RichInOC

Emil Foley, sorry. Axel was Eddie Murphy and another movie at that.


48 posted on 12/31/2005 8:07:04 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stop eyeballing me, or I'll rip your eyeballs out and skull**** you to death.")
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To: hinckley buzzard
Well put. You pretty much summed up my 1300 word vanity with that post!!
49 posted on 12/31/2005 8:07:16 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: al baby

He crossed from cowboy to soldier to civilian.


50 posted on 12/31/2005 8:08:08 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: RichInOC

Emil Foley, sorry. Axel was Eddie Murphy and another movie at that.


Apologizing is a sign of weakness(She Wore A Yellow Ribbon)


51 posted on 12/31/2005 8:09:58 PM PST by mystery-ak (HAPPY NEW YEAR)
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To: Pokey78

The Duke is spinning in his grave. Did Rock Hudson ever do a cowboy pic?


52 posted on 12/31/2005 8:10:36 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: SandRat

John Wayne was a liberal. (Not many people know that.)


53 posted on 12/31/2005 8:11:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Free Speech is not for everyone, If you don't like it, then don't use it)
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To: Pokey78

54 posted on 12/31/2005 8:12:09 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Pokey78
I have a film project that I am working on. I would like to raise funds from Free Republic members to distribute the film.
The film is about two hairstylists in San Francisco. The edgy thing about the film is that they are: male and female, married (to each other), and they are (gasp) straight (normal).

The film follows their struggle as outcasts, and their of their pain of being rejected.
The film also delves into the bizarre network of people that they associate with. There are Bob & Alice; a married heterosexual couple who run a floral shop in the Cole Valley area of San Francisco. Jim and Diane, (again, heterosexual and married) who own a trendy restaurant in Sausalito.
55 posted on 12/31/2005 8:17:16 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: RichInOC

I haven't watched that movie in a long time. With children and teenagers in the house, I don't like having sex scenes on, and I've torqued down on what I allow myself to watch, too.

I believe I first heard that "steers and queers" line in military school in Claremore circa 1964. Since then, I've heard it about a number of states.


56 posted on 12/31/2005 8:19:43 PM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

John Wayne was a liberal. (Not many people know that.)



rut row......ducking and running for cover....


57 posted on 12/31/2005 8:20:05 PM PST by mystery-ak (HAPPY NEW YEAR)
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To: RichInOC

Also used in "Full Metal Jacket," btw.


58 posted on 12/31/2005 8:20:41 PM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: lawnguy
Has anyone actually seen this movie?

Hell no. But the closest I've gotten was (being forced!) to watch a trailer before Harry Potter started. I'm in Asia right now and being out of the country it REALLY sinks in how much Hollywood soils our reputation day in and day out around the world.

The Asians won't know how ridiculous the idea for this movie is, so during the trailer they were muttering like "Ewwwwww", and "Ah ha, so that's what cowboys are secretly like". I was deeply embarrassed.

Being overseas I've seen many scenes which most of us in America hate, like a white man looking stupid, or getting slapped around, or getting laughed at, or failing, or looking weak or looking cowardly. Foreigners really believe in these images. It's very damaging, especially the appearance that we're all so weak.

When these things are shown in a foreign country (and make no mistake, our movies are the mainstay everywhere), there's no one around to counter the deceitful images so foreigners are left with strong, incorrect impressions. Hollywood can't decline fast enough.
59 posted on 12/31/2005 8:21:33 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Oztrich Boy
"John Wayne was a liberal."

Not really.

"I have found a certain type calls himself a Liberal...Now I always thought I was a Liberal. I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out that I was a Right-Wing Conservative Extremist, when I listened to everybody's point of view that I ever met, and then decided how I should feel. But this so-called new Liberal group, Jesus, they never listen to your point of view..."

- John Wayne

60 posted on 12/31/2005 8:23:21 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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