FORUM: Islamist state in Europe

The Washington Times ^ | 1 January 2006 | Stella L. Jatras

[Doctor13]

COMMENTARY

Jeffrey T. Kuhner's Commentary column asked about the prospect for an "Islamist state in Europe" (The Washington Times, Dec. 18). It is not a question of "if," but of "when."

We need only look at what is happening in Europe. Today there are more practicing Muslims than practicing Anglicans in England. In one demonstration in front of British Parliament, signs were carried reading, "Islam, our religion today, your religion tomorrow." France is a basket case, plagued with riots between Muslim youths and the government. Young non-Muslims girls there are accosted on the streets for not covering their hair.

In The Washington Times (Culture, et cetera) on April 14, 2003, in "La France, c'est morte," Guy Milliere was reported saying, "In fact, the only things that are growing in France right now are crime and Islamism." Germany invited Turkish guest workers (gastarbeiter) when they were needed but today faces high unemployment. Even financial incentives are not enough to entice the "gastarbeiter" to return to Turkey. They know they live better in a Christian than in a Muslim country.

[mtbopfuyn]

"Islam, our religion today, your religion tomorrow."

The same sign could have been held up in America.

[Ben Mugged]

Our political sheep need to wise up. These people can afford to be obvious since our political leaders will simply bend over backward to avoid confronting them. If there are any moderate Muslims out there, we better hear from them soon or they are doomed to be grouped with the extremists.

[Da_Shrimp]

Islam, our religion today, your religion tomorrow.

One problem of living in a free society is that people are allowed to carry signs like that without being thrown in gaol!

[rfreedom4u]

Sounds like it's time to revitalize the crusades?

[2banana]

Bosnia has become al Qaeda's corridor into Europe. An example is that a main terrorist in the Madrid bombing was born in Bosnia. While the Clinton administration fawned over the Bosnian government of Alija Izetbegovic, his embassy in Vienna issued Osama bin Laden a passport in 1992, as reported in a Nov. 1, 2001, article in the Wall Street Journal titled, "Al Qaeda's Balkan links." It said, "For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself and on three occasions between 1994 and 1996." The Washington Times also reported as recently as last Dec. 1 that the "Balkans are seen as terrorist training ground."

The Sept. 1, 1996, New York Times reported: " 'If you read President Izetbegovic's writings, as I have, there is no doubt that he is an Islamic fundamentalist,' said a senior Western diplomat with long experience in the region. 'He is a very nice fundamentalist, but he is still a fundamentalist. This has not changed. His goal is to establish a Muslim state in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Croats understand this better than the rest of us." Saudi Arabia wanted the first Islamic nation in the heart of Europe, and the Clinton administration wanted cheap oil and Saudi money. In 1995, Saudi Arabia signed a letter of intent to buy $6 billion of Boeing aircraft. The day after NATO bombed the Serbs on a trumped up self-inflicted atrocity committed by Bosnian Muslim forces at Sarajevo's main market, the Saudis signed on the dotted line. A coincidence? I don't think so.

President Bush accuses Iran of sending weapons and mujahideen into Iraq, yet there was no outrage when Mr. Clinton approved Iran's sending in Islamic fighters against Christian Serbs. A Senate Republican Policy Committee report of 1997 describes the Iranian involvement in Bosnia as the "stepping-stone to Europe: The intended targets of the mujahideen network in Bosnia are not limited to that country but extend to Western Europe."

A 1992 report, "Iran's European springboard?" for the Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, House Republican Research Committee, outlined Iran's plan to establish an Islamic state in the heart of Europe.

Thank you Bill Clinton - we love your legacy...

[Luigi Vasellini]

The best part of the sink-emperors legacy washed down the oval office sink!!

[TADSLOS]

It's a done deal.

[mosquewatch.com]

Some athiests just don't get it.

[Doctor13]

Unfortunately, you are correct. The media and the anti-Serb politicians did their job well. When NATO was bombing the Serbs, American people said, "Well, after all, they deserve it," and even well-known journalists said things like, "They haven't been bombed enough!"

I would love to ask these people face to face, "what in God's name have the Serbian people ever done to YOU for YOU to hate them so much, other than be our ally in two world wars?

Pitiful.

[Hoplite]

An example is that a main terrorist in the Madrid bombing was born in Bosnia.

This would have been Sanel Sjekirica, whom the Spaniards questioned and then released after it was determined that his involvement consisted of sharing an apartment with one of the bombers, not in being a member of the bombing plot.

If the Serbs spent half as much time taking care of their own garbage (Mladic, Karadzic, et al) as they did wasting their time trying to reverse the final score in their failed propaganda campaigns, they wouldn't be in such a pathetic state today.

Serbia: It's the new Albania.

[mathurine]

I think Albania is in Europe and is mohammedan, and about as successful as Saharan Africa economically and socially. What you see is what you get.

[rightwinggoth]

Turkey.

[HighlyOpinionated]

The real tragedy is all the suffering, bloodshed and deaths in this conflict might never have occurred had it not been for our State Department's meddling when the three Bosnian leaders representing Croats, Muslims and Serbs endorsed a proposal that the republic be a confederation of three ethnic regions. Then our U.S. ambassador to Yugoslavia, Warren Zimmermann, told President Izetbegovic, representing the Muslim party of Bosnia, that if he didn't like it, why sign it? Though the Lisbon Agreement was the best opportunity to achieve peace, it was primarily the State Department official's misguided advice to the Bosnian president that encouraged Mr. Izetbegovic not to sign the agreement he originally accepted in Lisbon, a decision which made the war inevitable.



What a maroon for a diplomat.

[Hoplite]

What a maroon for a diplomat.

No, you're merely relying upon more Serbian disinformation.

By the time Izetbegovic renegged on the Lisbon Agreement in Summer, the Croats had already withdrawn their signature and the Serbian ethnic cleansing campaign had been underway for months. Furthermore, what had been agreed to at Lisbon was merely a framework for the parties in Bosnia to work out their disagreements - but since the Serbs decided to revert to violence to get their way, the Lisbon Agreement was about as relevant as Neville Chamberlain's Munich Agreement in 1940.

So don't be fooled by this Serbian "Peace in our time" BS.

[Doctor13]

No, the problem is that you just can't STAND the truth!

Frankly, you don't matter but others, who were duped by a president and his administration and destroyed a Christian people in order to appease the Islamic world, are finally getting the truth and you can scream all you want - have your tantrum. I love it!

[Hoplite]

Doc,

the Serbian version of "truth" as espoused by Mrs. Jatras and her ilk, and the rest of the world's are two very different things.

So if a couple of folks are fooled, no big - the world (and more importantly, the State Dept.) will continue on its present course, and you can continue pretending that continuing discomfiture you're feeling is actually victorious elation.