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[furball4paws]

I see. So the Intelligent part of Inteligent Design is merely a figment of my imagination.

[furball4paws]

I agree it is not explicitly Christian, but it is explicitly religious. Only a god can be the designer. If the designer arose by abiogenesis and evolution, no matter where that happened, then the designer could not be intelligent, by definition.

[dread78645]

" ... We think the litmus paper is governed by Satan, and our results cannot be judged by non-Christians. We include in our write-up that a supernatural entity intervened in our experiment."

It's obvious.

Blue detects Christian Godliness and pink indicates Satan (or at least Helen Gahagan Douglas).

[AntiGuv]

Science is unable to address what effect, if any, the existence of any supernatural entities have or would have on the workings of the natural universe.

Actually, science consistently and routinely finds that the effect of supernatural entities on the workings of the natural universe are indistinguishable from those of a phenomenon that doesn't exist. What science is unable to address is whether any supernatural entities exist nonetheless..

[Zack Nguyen]

Only a god can be the designer.

Though I am a Christian and do believe that the God of the Bible created the universe, ID makes no such assumption that a god created the world. As I understand the theory it could literally be anything - aliens from outer space or a time traveling band of intergalactic space hippies. I am being facetious, but you get the point.

[RadioAstronomer]

Also: :-)

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/GenRelativity.html

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/GravWaves.html

And finally here was another fun thread where we argued the speed of gravity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177535/posts?page=1,50

[pby]

Drop a bowling ball off of the ivory tower at Darwin Central and it wall fall and hit the ground at a predicted rate and time. Repeat multiple times and get the same results...Pretty solid evidence that gravity exists.

However, direct scientific evidence for the post abiogenesis simple single-celled, primordial soup-living organism evolving into the complex and diverse life that we are able to observe today does not exist...But the evolutionary faith of it does, including alleged mutations (like HOX gene mutations) and feathered dinosaurs (like Sinosauropteryx), and so forth.

[Stultis]

Ask a "John Kerry" question, get a "John Kerry" answer.

I continue to think it a directly relevant question, and a good one. But I usually get no response. Your waffling answer, although unhelpful, is by far the best.

The (I think obvious) fact is that there is wild and universal inconsistency on the part of those who claim evolution is atheistic.

The reasons given (when reasons are given) for claiming that evolution is atheistic are never particular to evolutionary theory, and in nearly all cases are general to scientific theories as such.

Although I've studied the popular Darwinian controversies in some detail, I've never really figured out to my entire satisfaction what it's really about, so I keep asking the questions.

[dread78645]

That's funny. So did Mohammed. Of course, his was 6 years old and he waited until she was 9 to deflower her.

At least Joseph Smith had the decency to wait until they were 14 years old.

[Alamo-Girl]

Maybe I'm missing something.. I ain't too smart.. But really ID can be no threat to the so-called "pure" scientists.. Its almost like they consider the human or public brain as their private reserve.. any other ideas are almost poaching..

A good word for it, hosepipe! If science really had the public brain as their private reserve then there would be no need for theology, philosophy, politics, mathematics and all the other disciplines...

Thanks for your post!

[pby]

I don't know relative to it being in a footnote. I will have to check.

In my opinion, even if you do not believe that Torasco v. Watkins provides the necessary legal weight, given your posted definitions and the Secular Humanism website that I cited, you would have to agree that Secular Humanism meets the definition of religion.

You would have to also agree that the beliefs of the Secular Humanists sound an awful lot like many evo posters from Darwin Central...And their beliefs go way beyond science (into faith and religion).

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your excellent post!!!

Now perhaps you will object that formal and final causes are not of interest to science. Okay, I can live with that. But that doesn’t give you a license to say that formal and final causes are irrelevant to the truth of reality. Or even that they do not exist — which is the position of the scientific materialist, a/k/a the metaphysical naturalist.

Yet the scientist who says such a thing is sawing off the very branch on which he himself sits.

LOLOLOL! And so very true!

[peyton randolph]

At least Joseph Smith had the decency to wait until they were 14 years old.

And his partner's name wasn't Bring'em Young for nothing. ;-)

[pby]

LOL.

Thanks Gumlegs...But the women of Darwin Central are not for me. I am happily married.

With their resemblance to Lucy, I understand why they are all covered up.

[pby]

LOL.

Thanks Gumlegs...But the women of Darwin Central are not for me. I am happily married.

With their resemblance to Lucy, I understand why they are all covered up.

[GSlob]

"This silly little bandaid applied to the gaping wound by a small-minded angry little frump of a judge isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference over the long haul."
Learn to lose with class. Ad hominem [name-calling] arguments are fellatious.

[Coyoteman]

Lucy.

A little bony, I'll admit, but some of us like bones.

[hosepipe]

[ Do scientists propose we ban the teaching history, philosophy, theology, politics, government, etc., etc.? Hardly. ]

The colleges and high schools are glutted with leftist adminisrations in America, only things kind to socialism are permitted.. in ANY "science".. Like Marxism.. and other materialist scewed views.. scientific materialism is only one facet of it..

[pby]

I think Sulu also liked Bones.

You have to admit... She is much better looking in the artist renderings.