Revote today [Dover, PA school board]

York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 January 2006 | TOM JOYCE

[Fester Chugabrew]

Is Bertrand Russell still alive?

[dread78645]

... If all else fails, try the microwave.

Fester, did you ever get around to measuring the speed of light with the chocolate bar in the microwave??

[MineralMan]

"Gee. I guess we all better stop reading them. I repeat, they were written for an audience that experienced at the time, and an audience that still experiences on a daily basis, a sun that rises and sets. Or are you one of those people who, when the sun rises, says, "Look! An illusion created by the rotation of the earth!" Cut me a break."

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No, we needn't stop reading them. I certainly won't. As for me, I do frequently reflect on the solar system when I see the Sun or moon appear. Sometimes, I even expand my reflection to the galaxy, or even to our local cluster of galaxies.

One day, while driving before dawn to the Sierra Nevada mountains to go skiing, I had the wonderful experience of seeing the full moon setting just as the sun was rising. It's one of the great things about rising early. I had a great day that day, reflecting on our amazing solar system and wondering what it would be like to live on a planet with multiple moon in orbit around a binary pair of stars.



I find this a great mind exercise...almost as valuable as posting information on Free Republic.

[MineralMan]

"moon" should be "moons" in the previous post.

[dmz]

nah, it wasn't your id, it was your ego being pushed by your superego.

[dmz]

I like the ones in white. Makes for a better wet burqua contest.

[Fester Chugabrew]

No. Did you?

[hosepipe]

[ NEW post 493 by hosepipe on 04 Jan 2006. Dialectic materialism and scientific materialism are sister whores in the same brothel. ]

Gee, I hauled off and made myself infamous.. Cool..

Marx, Darwin, Stalin, and Mao have the same problem.. They see themselves as primates.. earth bound and progressively exhibit primate tendency's..

[jennyp]

Yet simply stated - what goes up must come down. Please don't make this more complicated than necessary.

The Law of Gravity: What goes up must come down. Except when it goes up really, really fast. Then it escapes & becomes a fugitive from justice.

:-)

[MineralMan]

"Yet simply stated - what goes up must come down."

Not so fast, mclnnnn. This is not always true, you see. If it were, we couldn't launch missions into space. We have a spacecraft or two which have already exited our solar system. We threw them up and they aren't coming down. Gravity's an amazing thing, huh?

[joesbucks]

It's more than an opinion - it's the admitted purpose of both the Discovery Insitute, the main proponent of ID, and the school board in this case.

Bingo! Simply read their Wedge Strategy.

That's not to say that there is not some possibilities behind ID, but the Discovery Institute pretty much has laid out it's agenda through the wedge stategy and this school board was a trial balloon.

Much of that agenda repackaged the Creation story to something that is more palatable to the fence sitters amongst us. Don't believe in our God, well then maybe you'll at least accept some sort of "Creator". It was also a way to muddy the water on other theories rather than scientifically and through the process of falsification the validity of it's theory.

Again, years ago, ID was widely rejected by people of deep faith. Not much has changed in terms of it's foundation, yet now it is being embraced. The sudden turn around is fishy.

[MineralMan]

"Again, years ago, ID was widely rejected by people of deep faith. "


And it still is. The current little wave of creationism, relabled as Intelligent Design is not being promulgated by those of deep faith. Rather, it is being promulgated by those who wish everyone to have the same beliefs they do. Most of these, I find, lack deep faith. Shallow faith is more their style, in most cases.

[xzins]

And likewise, the intelligent design hypothesis must stand or fall on its own merits - regardless of who is supporting it or is against it and their motives or behavior.

You have nailed it, AG.

....and how shall the hypothesis be learned if it only gets presented by the media and by its other opponents?

It must be presented as what it IS and not what supporters, opponents, judges, juries, etc. would make it to be in some sort of melodrama of their own creation.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Science was far in the future.

At what point did the breeding of animals and manufacture of bronze become "scientific?" Was it as soon as any notion of God or intelligent design was left out of the picture?

[Dimensio]

....and how shall the hypothesis be learned if it only gets presented by the media and by its other opponents?

Not our fault that ID proponents can't give it a good presentation.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your reply and encouragments!

....and how shall the hypothesis be learned if it only gets presented by the media and by its other opponents?

It must be presented as what it IS and not what supporters, opponents, judges, juries, etc. would make it to be in some sort of melodrama of their own creation.

SO very true! Too many tend to "frame" things they way they wish them to be and not as they are.

[xzins]

YOU are exactly correct!

Great Point!

[hosepipe]

[ Bingo! Simply read their Wedge Strategy. ]

ID is Agnostic Creativeism... at least as ligitimate as Evolution.. which is scientific materialism.. if one is taught so should the other be.. Not teaching both as fact would best.. But ID does steal the limelight from Evolution.. thats what they hate.. Progressive ideologies don't like to share.. they do not play well with others.. its their way or the highway.. Not all Evos feel this way, only the progressive ones.. Matter of fact you can tell the "progressive" ones by this trait.. Especially here at Free Republic.. Not all Evos are "conservatives".. Most are progressives.. You know ex-democrats, or stealth democrats.. some are Loosertarian..

[xzins]

It is necessary for us to post a thread that clearly and CONCISELY presents the hypothesis: its definition, its limits, its promise, and its problems.

[highball]

Too many tend to "frame" things they way they wish them to be and not as they are.

That's the best description of ID I've read in a long time.

Thanks!