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To: RadioAstronomer

Yes, but ultimately gravity itself isn't understandable in terms of its whys and wherefores. We can observe gravity's effects and catalogue them, but we still have no idea where such a force came from. Does it simply exist or did God design it to operate as it does?

Yet, even on a matter such as gravity, most Christians don't request that God be specifically credited with establishing gravity in school curricula. We understand, more than some of the evolutionists here may think, what science is and what its limitations are.

But gravity is generally not used to bash people of faith. Darwinism often is. Go to a militant atheist political site and you'll find that they're selling Darwin fish stickers, T-shirts, etc. Look at all the evolutionist scientists who have had second careers as secularist ideological activists (Gould, Huxley, and even Hawking to an extent).

One of the most important principles of the faith of millions of Americans is our personal relationship with God, knowing that we were created in His image. We can't know how He did it, and 99.9% of the time we have no problem with science noting how things work, even though that notation is often theoretical and this year's hot theories may be tomorrow's discarded ones.

But given the tendency of evolutionary theory to be used as a battering ram against our faith, notwithstanding that it's a theory and like any theory it could be wrong and could even be discarded by science itself someday, we do on occasion ask that our kids be reminded that there could be more to human life than naturalistic processes.

That doesn't seem like too much to ask, especially considering that facets of natural selection (possible gender, racial, or group differences, as an example) are routinely left out of school curricula to satisfy PC group demands.


380 posted on 01/04/2006 6:52:55 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: puroresu
But given the tendency of evolutionary theory to be used as a battering ram against our faith

You know, I keep hearing this, but I can find very little evidence of it. Sure, there's the occasional biologist who ventures into the realm of unsupported philosophical musing, but they're acually rather rare, and their musings must be actively sought out to be found at all.

It seems to me that creationists are the ones who are loudly proclaiming that evolution is a threat -- and that they use evolution as just one of their rhetorical tools to wrap themselves in their deeply coveted robe of "persecution."

388 posted on 01/04/2006 7:14:00 AM PST by atlaw
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To: puroresu
Yes, but ultimately gravity itself isn't understandable in terms of its whys and wherefores. We can observe gravity's effects and catalogue them, but we still have no idea where such a force came from. Does it simply exist or did God design it to operate as it does?

I disagree. We may end up with a real understanding of gravity in the end. However, the concept of God can never be described by science and thusly remains firmly in the realm of faith. This, by definition, should not allow God into the science class.

Yet, even on a matter such as gravity, most Christians don't request that God be specifically credited with establishing gravity in school curricula. We understand, more than some of the evolutionists here may think, what science is and what its limitations are.

Good to hear.

But gravity is generally not used to bash people of faith. Darwinism often is.

The theory of evolution does not address a deity in any way shape or form. Just because some folks use it to bash a religion, makes it no less a theory in science. Should we bash Christianity because some nutball like Jim Jones caused a mass murder/suicide of 914 people?

Of course not!!

One of the most important principles of the faith of millions of Americans is our personal relationship with God, knowing that we were created in His image. We can't know how He did it,

And evolution does not address this

and 99.9% of the time we have no problem with science noting how things work, even though that notation is often theoretical and this year's hot theories may be tomorrow's discarded ones.

Theories in science do not come and go like this. For a theory to become such, much evidence is needed which would not be "discarded" lightly. BTW, I am certainly not advocating parts cannot be revised as new evidence comes to light or even discarding the whole thing should such evidence be uncovered. However, after 150 years of study by so many disciplines, the theory of evolution is more rock solid than the theory of gravity.

But given the tendency of evolutionary theory to be used as a battering ram against our faith, notwithstanding that it's a theory and like any theory it could be wrong and could even be discarded by science itself someday, we do on occasion ask that our kids be reminded that there could be more to human life than naturalistic processes.

This is being done every day in churches across the land. However, it is not science and should not belong in the science class.

That doesn't seem like too much to ask

But it is. How would a belief system be included into science class? Which belief? By local community?

390 posted on 01/04/2006 7:19:47 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: puroresu
But gravity is generally not used to bash people of faith.

It was a few centuries ago. Galileo was arrested for discussing the orbits of the planets.

Science has not changed its mind about the planets, but religious people have ceased insisting on the nonsense of the sun orbiting the earth. They did at one time insist on a literal reading of the Bible and were quite clear about this.

Eventually religious people will come to grips with deep time and common descent. Behe, Denton and Dembski already have.

484 posted on 01/04/2006 11:10:20 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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