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Holy War: The Year the Muslims Took Rome
Chiesa.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:09 AM PST by NYer

ROMA, January 5, 2006 – A book published recently in the United States lifts the veil on a crucial aspect of Islam, one which too many understand poorly and know too little about: jihad, the holy war.

It is an aspect that meets with widespread silence, as if it were a taboo. Even among Christians, there are wide gaps on this topic in the general awareness of Church history.

An example? Many recall what happened in Rome, at St. Peter’s Basilica, the night of Christmas Day of the year 800. After the Mass, pope Leo III solemnly placed upon the head of Charlemagne the crown of the Holy Roman Empire.

That night, the basilica of St. Peter gleamed with breathtaking brilliance. A few years earlier, Leo III’s predecessor, pope Hadrian I, had covered the entire floor of the sanctuary with plates of silver; he had covered the walls with gold plates and enclosed it all with a balustrade of gold weighing 1,328 pounds. He had remade the sanctuary gates with silver, and had placed on the iconostasis six images also made of silver, representing Christ, Mary, the archangels Gabriel and Michael, and saints Andrew and John. Finally, in order to make this splendor visible to all, he had ordered the assembly of a candelabrum in the form of a huge cross, on which 1,365 candles burned.

But less than half a century later, none of this remained. And what happened remains generally unknown among Christians today.

What happened is that in 846 some Muslim Arabs arrived in a fleet at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained.

And this was not just an incidental attack. In 827 the Arabs had conquered Sicily, which they kept under their dominion for two and a half centuries. Rome was under serious threat from nearby. In 847, the year after the assault, the newly elected pope Leo IV began the construction of walls around the entire perimeter of the Vatican, 12 meters high and equipped with 44 towers. He completed the project in six years. These are the “Leonine” walls, and significant traces of them still remain. But very few today know that these walls were erected to defend the see of Peter from an Islamic jihad. And many of those who do know this remain silent out of discretion. “Bridges, not walls” is the fashionable slogan today.

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The book that lifts the veil on the Islamic holy war is entitled “The Legacy of Jihad,” and is edited by Andrew G. Bostom.

The book is essentially made up of documents, many of which have been translated for the first time from Arabic or Farsi, or have been reproduced from books of oriental studies that would be difficult for the general public to find.

The documents range from Mohammed in the seventh century, to the twentieth century. And they include the classic texts on the topic of jihad by Muslim theologians and jurists, accounts of war from ancient and modern witnesses, and analyses of jihad by scholars of varying outlooks.

The book also contains islamic miniatures depicting moments of jihad throughout history, and maps that document the military expansion of Islam century after century, from the seventh to the eleventh century. Each map is accompanied by a summary listing the acts of war in each region.

For example, in the ninth century, during which Rome was assaulted and Sicily was conquered, the Muslim armies occupied Bari and Brindisi in Italy for thirty years; Taranto for forty; Benevento for ten; they attacked Naples, Capua, Calabria, and Sardinia several times; they put the abbey of Montecassino to fire and the sword; they even made skirmishes in northern Italy, arriving from Spain and crossing over the Alps.

One fact emerges clearly from the documentation compiled by Bostom: jihad is not just one of the forms by which the expansion of Islam took place in particular places and times, but it is an institution inherent to the Islamic system itself; it is a permanent religious obligation.

One astonishing thing is that it was not a specialist who published this documentation in the West. Bostom is an epidemiologist living in Providence, Rhode Island. But perhaps this very distance from the academic world of the oriental and Islamic studies scholars leaves him more free from the taboos that gag many of these.

Biting criticisms of the pro-Islamic sentiment of much of Western culture have been written by, among others, Jacques Ellul, Oriana Fallaci, and Bat Ye’or. The latter of these is a leading specialist in the condition of subordination systematically imposed by Islam upon the non-Muslim subjects of conquered countries. She is also the author of an essay published in 2005, carrying the eloquent title “Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis.”

One of the central theses of the three authors cited is that Islam is an organic whole and cannot be reformed in its essential elements, and that personal freedom and rights cannot be incorporated into it.

But even another author who does not share this thesis, and is indeed one of the most decisive proponents of the idea that Islam and democracy are compatible – Bernard Lewis, one of the most authoritative Islamic studies experts alive, professor at Princeton University – has severely criticized the pro-Islamic tendencies in vogue among Western intellectuals and politicians, even among Jewish ones.

In an essay entitled “The Pro-Islamic Jews,” Lewis explains how the idea of an early Islamic Spain tolerant of Christians and Jews – evoked by many today as a golden age – is a romantic myth of the nineteenth century, created by Jews themselves in their intellectual conflict with Christians.

And modern Turkey’s aligning itself with the Western world and its support for the state of Israel have also induced a widespread unwillingness to speak about the massacres it carried out last century against the Armenian Christians.

Other factors encouraging the general silence over the holy wars of yesterday and today – and also over slavery, which is still practiced by Muslims in some regions, over assaults on churches and the killing of Christians – are the effort to establish a good relationship with the increasing numbers of Muslim immigrants in Europe, fear of terrorist attacks, and the desire to create distance from the outlook of the “clash of civilizations.”

But the Muslim victims of this reticence and silence on the part of the West are precisely those who are courageously fighting to reform the Islamic faith and reconcile it with democracy and modernity.

It’s a good thing that, with books like the one by Andrew G. Bostom, they aren’t being left entirely alone.


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The book:

”The Legacy of Jihad. Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims,” edited by Andrew G. Bostom, foreword by Ibn Warraq, Prometheus Books, New York, 2005, pp. 762.

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On this topic, on this website:

> From Lepanto to Baghdad, There’s a Road that Leads through Rome (19.12.2005)

> Is Europe a Province of Islam? The Danger is Called Dhimmitude (17.3.2003)

Other articles:

> Focus on ISLAM
1 posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:11 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:42 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: SJackson

Ping!


3 posted on 01/05/2006 6:26:28 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: kjenerette

...reading list.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 6:32:00 AM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: NYer; Tolik
the newly elected pope Leo IV began the construction of walls around the entire perimeter of the Vatican, 12 meters high and equipped with 44 towers.

Today, most of Italians, with great support from their European brothers and one half of America, would declare this wall insensitive to the needs of the immigrant population. Shouldn't borders be open at all times, both to friend and foe?

5 posted on 01/05/2006 6:41:30 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking the keyword Israel.

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6 posted on 01/05/2006 6:50:38 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: NYer


Huge new Mosque in Rome across the river from the Vatican --->>

NICHOLSON: This experience could be indispensable in coming years as the Catholic Church competes with the rise of Islam. The faithful who worship in this giant mosque in Rome, almost on the doorstep of the Vatican are a powerful reminder of the competition the Catholic Church faces for followers in both the developed and developing world.

JOHN ALLEN: So that mosque in Rome tends to be a tremendous symbol if you like of what sticks in the craw of a lot of Christians thinking about the relationship with Islam.

NICHOLSON: Mario Scialoja is a rare Italian. He converted from Catholicism to Islam, a former Italian Ambassador to the United Nations, he’s now the director of Italy’s World Muslim League.

MARIO SCIALOJA: I don’t expect there to be happy to see such a fast growth of the Muslim faith in Italy, but I mean they didn’t show any, any resentment for that.

NICHOLSON: Islam is making inroads into traditional Christian areas with a zeal and energy that cannot be ignored. Vatican watcher journalist John Allen has no doubt the Catholic Church is afraid.

JOHN ALLEN: Tremendously afraid. I think the reality is that if you look at the world situation, Islam has about 1.1 billion members, so does Roman Catholicism. Islam is expanding rapidly in a lot of boarder zones where Christianity has traditionally found itself.

NICHOLSON: Arinze is prepared to tackle the contest head on. His approach to interfaith dialogue is straightforward. The aim of the game is more Catholics


7 posted on 01/05/2006 6:58:45 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: NYer
There was a Muslim mini-state in southern Europe during the post-Carolingian period, centered on Fraxinetum. To this day there are towns in southern Provence with Muslim names. They raided as far as southern Germany (Swabia - modern-day Baden-Württemberg) and were only beaten back after they kidnapped (hmm, some things never change) St Maiolus, the abbot of the great Abbey of Cluny.

You have to hunt around to find much about it. Older history texts are best. The newer ones are too PC to admit to the notion that Muslims tried to pillage and conquer Europe other than Spain.

8 posted on 01/05/2006 6:59:57 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: Heatseeker

"The newer ones are too PC to admit to the notion that Muslims tried to pillage and conquer Europe other than Spain."


And they completely fail to mention the success of the Khan's Golden Horde invasion of the 1300s that had the Khan knocking on the gates of Vienna after thoroughly whipping the butts of the European Christian armies.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 7:05:45 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: backhoe

Ping. This needs to be in your metalink post(s).


10 posted on 01/05/2006 7:22:06 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: TopQuark

bttt with a little history.


11 posted on 01/05/2006 7:24:24 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: TopQuark

The Muslim forays against Italy and the South of France are not Äncient History". As late as the middle of the 19th century, raiders from Algeria and Tunisia (The Barbarbary Coast) would snatch and enslave people fropm seaside towns, and in some cases, who were walking along the beach, often fighting pitched battles with the fleet and army of the Kingdom of Naples.


12 posted on 01/05/2006 7:25:06 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: NYer
This is all undoubtedly true, but Christianity is on the wane in most parts of the world and Islam is on the rise.

More catholics means when the crunch comes, they will be sacrificial lambs. I don't believe Christianity will prevail over Islam until the return of Christ.

What really complicates the issue, is that for the first time in history, there are a significant number of people who are weary of religion, all religion. I think irreligious people are siding with Islam because they want to see it used as a force in their war against Christianity.

For some bizarre, inscructable reason, they see Islam as less threatening than Christianity. Christianity has become so divided and fragmented, it fails to provided a united front and has its bizarre elements and sects. They want to be rid of Christianity in any form because it is their perception that Christians block scientific and their version of social progress. They have blinders on. All their social experimentation will come to a screeching halt once Islam suceeds in reaching critical mass in various countries. It does not require a majority to cause mayhem. A majority will cause worse than mayhem.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. This has been snowballing for centuries, and there is no way Islam will ever accommodate itself to western ideals universally which I think the movers and shakers at the head of social change are banking on. There are some who will become more enlightened and tolerant, but I fear they will be the minority.

There is an energy driving Islam which tends toward violence and bloodshed. To some extent that was true with Christianity in the past, but much of that was in self-defense.

13 posted on 01/05/2006 7:32:19 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Kenny Bunk

Very true, especially in Calabria.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 7:35:18 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: dennisw
Huge new Mosque in Rome across the river from the Vatican


It is the first and the only Mosque in Rome, located at the foot of the hill. It was erected in 1984-93, and designed by Paolo Portoghesi, Vittorio Gigliotti and Sami Monsawi. The mosque, that can hold up to 3000 people and is the largest in Europe, was financed by some 24 Arab countries. There is also a cultural center and library here.

From what I understand, they petitioned the City of Rome to erect a crescent moon over the Mosque that rises higher than the cross over the Vatican. The request was granted. Also, the previous Imam was a radical extremist who called for a jihad.

Do you have a link to the John Allen article?

15 posted on 01/05/2006 7:38:51 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Bostom is an epidemiologist living in Providence, Rhode Island. But perhaps this very distance from the academic world of the oriental and Islamic studies scholars leaves him more free from the taboos that gag many of these.

So the work will be completely ignored since it did not come from one of the anointed elite. That is why if you want to seriously study history, you have a much better time if you focus on old books.

Harold Lamb's books on the Crusade are great.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 7:41:02 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

That is one u-g-l-y building!


17 posted on 01/05/2006 7:42:07 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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To: NYer

Do you have a link to the John Allen article?.....

No.
And I think the Rome mosque was Saudi funded.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110003943
In 1995, incidentally, Saudi money funded the building of an enormous, $50 million mosque in Rome, just a stone's throw from St. Peter's Square.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 7:42:55 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Heatseeker
There was a Muslim mini-state in southern Europe during the post-Carolingian period, centered on Fraxinetum. To this day there are towns in southern Provence with Muslim names.

Fascinating! I had no idea. Thank you for the information.

19 posted on 01/05/2006 7:44:45 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: dennisw

I am so sick of Interreligious Dialogue. Its long since time for a new Crusade.

If we are going to be accused of being crusaders for pumping mideast oil and not carpet bombing Israel or not funnelling foreign aid to Hammas, we might as well live up to the accusation and actually be Crusaders.


20 posted on 01/05/2006 7:45:59 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Aliska
For some bizarre, inscructable reason, they see Islam as less threatening than Christianity.

No, its quite simple. Islam winks and nods at sexual immorality that Christianity utterly condemns. It really is all about sex.

21 posted on 01/05/2006 7:48:08 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: NYer
Interesting article. Wish the school systems would teach history as it happened and not agenda driven politicalzation.
22 posted on 01/05/2006 7:56:27 AM PST by kindred (Lord,thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:)
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To: NYer
That night, the basilica of St. Peter gleamed with breathtaking brilliance. A few years earlier, Leo III’s predecessor, pope Hadrian I, had covered the entire floor of the sanctuary with plates of silver; he had covered the walls with gold plates and enclosed it all with a balustrade of gold weighing 1,328 pounds. He had remade the sanctuary gates with silver, and had placed on the iconostasis six images also made of silver, representing Christ, Mary, the archangels Gabriel and Michael, and saints Andrew and John. Finally, in order to make this splendor visible to all, he had ordered the assembly of a candelabrum in the form of a huge cross, on which 1,365 candles burned.

. . .

What happened is that in 846 some Muslim Arabs arrived in a fleet at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained.

Frankly, with no disrespect meant to the Pope, any time you cover a Church with that much gold and silver the proper response is for someone to sack the Church and deflate your ego a bit. That much money on the floor is just asking for it. Make it beautiful and opulent, but its not a palace, it’s a Church. That much gold and silver, imho, moves beyond providing the proper respect to the Tabernacle, and begins to shift the focus to men and their wealth, detracting from the worship of God. The muslims probably did us a favor in sacking it.

patent

23 posted on 01/05/2006 7:59:16 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: NYer
There's an area north of St Tropez known today as 'Les Maures' (i.e., 'The Moors'). They've got a tourist site at www.ot-lalondelesmaures.fr/us.

That might be the best known but there are a number of others.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 8:07:10 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: Heatseeker

Nomads have raiding in their blood. I say the nomad is embedded in the Arab Muslim psyche. Read "Warriors of the Steppe" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-49,GGLG:en&q=%22Warriors+of+the+Steppe%22 for a great account of the Mongols and why nomads raid the more sedentary. The agricultural peoples. They do it to supplement their diet. They could trade but prefer to raid because they are raised to be better horsemen. Thus better at war


25 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:14 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
at sexual immorality that Christianity utterly condemns

Seems like selectively immorality such as multiple wives, infiledity of woman is worse than for their men (double standard same as Christian culture), the men seem to want to keep Islamic women virginal but others are fair game, and that iman in London took a pretty strong stand against homosexuality. I don't know if bestiality is as common as some imply.

I agree with you but think there is more to it than that.

26 posted on 01/05/2006 8:22:35 AM PST by Aliska
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To: NYer

Excellent post. I went ahead and posted Walter Brandmuller's entire presentation, which seems quite a lucid and historically sound approach ... and a breath of fresh air amongst all this Religion of Peace codswallop out there.

Thanks. good dialogue


27 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:22 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: redgolum

Psychology is similar to history. If you want real science, not PC-driven drivel, go to the old texts.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:57 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: NYer

That soulless building really captures the beauty of islam.


29 posted on 01/05/2006 9:12:33 AM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

That is fine...just leave the Orthodox alone during this one :)


30 posted on 01/05/2006 9:14:55 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: NYer

Recently I watched a documentary on building Domes, they basically make plain that many Istanbul mosques were inspired by The Church of the Holy Wisdom which the Muslims stole and converted into a mosque. It's very sad.


31 posted on 01/05/2006 9:19:04 AM PST by x5452
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To: TexConfederate1861

Figured you guys might want to help out your Roman Catholic cousins on this one. What do you say? :)


32 posted on 01/05/2006 9:53:05 AM PST by Romish_Papist (iuxta est Dominus contritis corde et confractos spiritu salvabit.)
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To: Aliska

Islam allows quickie relationships for sex if heterosexual.


33 posted on 01/05/2006 10:14:36 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Aliska

An insightful post.


34 posted on 01/05/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by ansel12
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To: x5452
many Istanbul mosques were inspired by The Church of the Holy Wisdom which the Muslims stole and converted into a mosque. It's very sad.

The Hagia Sophia!!! No respect for anything outside their own religion. Islam has no notion of inalienable natural or human rights such as envisioned by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence. Moreover, Islam does not acknowledge civil rights, i. e. rights which inure to people by virtue of their membership in a political state. The only rights possessed by Muslims and dhimmi are religious rights recognized in the Quran and codified in the Sheria.


35 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:47 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I understand they are now restoring the original frecoes in the church




36 posted on 01/05/2006 11:05:38 AM PST by x5452
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To: Blzbba

True, but the Mongols aren't Muslim.

Only after their empire broke up into different Khanate's did some convert to Islam.

After all, if they all converted to Islam, it would really be difficult to explain how come the modern Mongols are Buddhist.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 11:42:58 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: gogogodzilla

"True, but the Mongols aren't Muslim. "


No argument. Just pointing out another amazing Euro history factoid that's ignored when teaching history.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 11:59:04 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: x5452
Awesome! Thanks for posting those images. My favorite!

Have you seen this?

It's the Demography, Stupid

39 posted on 01/05/2006 12:37:50 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
"The mosque, that can hold up to 3000 people and is the largest in Europe, was financed by some 24 Arab countries. There is also a cultural center and library here."

The jihadist enemy has established a foothold in the heart of Rome and the city government caved in to the enemy regarding the crescent moon issue. Big mistake!

40 posted on 01/05/2006 1:23:26 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Romish_Papist

Of Course...:)


41 posted on 01/05/2006 5:02:29 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: M. Espinola

The site below has some interesting computer graphics of what the church and other Byzantine Monuments looked like as of year 1200 AD.

http://www.byzantium1200.com/hagia.html
http://www.byzantium1200.com/contents.html


42 posted on 01/05/2006 7:56:46 PM PST by apro
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To: Aliska
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

I don't believe Christianity will prevail over Islam until the return of Christ.

Not so sure about that! Remember who we represent - the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He has overcome the world. Also, if Christ has ordered us to make disciples of all nations, we have to believe that He is here to help us do just that.

43 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:04 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Not so sure about that! Remember who we represent - the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He has overcome the world. Also, if Christ has ordered us to make disciples of all nations, we have to believe that He is here to help us do just that.

I don't claim to have any inside information or special insights, and tend to pessimism as I have watched social changes take such a downward turn the last 30, 40, or so years, but I thought at some point someone (as yet to be identified) will make war with the saints and overcome them. That does not mean to become passive though or that none will be left.

Your positive outlook is a good thing. True, disciples have not been made of some nations. The Muslims seem to be extremely resistant to conversion.

I try not to feed into end-time hype too much, but I do read the scriptures, don't claim to understand what much of them really mean other than a general outline for Christian living, morals, and the promise of a resurrection of the body when Christ returns.

Michael Reagan doesn't think much of what Pat Robertson said. I heard it just now.

44 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:02 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

We have to be better Christians than the Islamists are Islamists. They have a Allah-centric worldview. American Christians do not have a Christocentric worldview, though some progress has been made their in recent years.

To be candid, I have been reading a lot of postmillenialist literature lately.


45 posted on 01/05/2006 9:18:45 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
To be candid, I have been reading a lot of postmillenialist literature lately.

What are you reading and by whom? I used to read a lot of that, but got bogged down and try to keep a level head.

Things are going to get very bad, I fear. We were told that near the end it was going to be very hard to be a Christian. Check. Some would argue it has always been hard. True, but society supported high morals even if they didn't follow them.

I don't know what to read any more. I pray for guidance and just try to live one day at a time, but do reflect a lot on scripture. I sure wish I could get a better handle on Daniel.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 9:29:33 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Don't forget the Koran suggests that, among other carnal delights, homosexual love is available for the Muslim Martyr in Paradise.


47 posted on 01/06/2006 10:39:02 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Aliska

Islam demands Jihad. There are greater and lesser Jihads. The lesser Jihad is war against us Jews and Christians who, the Koran teaches, are children of Apes and Pigs


48 posted on 01/06/2006 10:43:39 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Yes. One night marriages, in fact. It is useful when all those lonely men are on their pilgrimmages


49 posted on 01/06/2006 10:46:29 AM PST by bornacatholic
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Well, well. Perhaps I will have to reconsider Islam. Until now, I had never thought sacking a Consecrated Church was a proper response by anyone, least of all Muslims.

(I must be about two quarts low of Ecumenical antifreeze because I think my spiritual radiator is about to boil over)

50 posted on 01/06/2006 10:52:59 AM PST by bornacatholic
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