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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy
Reuters ^ | 1/3/06 | Mark Trevelyan

Posted on 01/05/2006 10:03:10 AM PST by Kenny Bunk

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To: mallardx

Back in those days you could buy a 1903 Springfield from Sears for $50; war surplus from other countries was even cheaper.


21 posted on 01/05/2006 10:34:01 AM PST by sailor4321
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To: Kenny Bunk

Cuba recruiting a willing Oswald, sounds believable.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 10:34:31 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bkepley

Yes, I have seen the recent specials on TV and seen these shots easily duplicated. But this and other myths, bolstered by Oliver Stone's movie, have contributed to the myht.


23 posted on 01/05/2006 10:35:49 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: kellynla
they may have paid Oswald to go to work that day with that Mickey Mouse rifle in hand but to "shoot JFK"...never...they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet!!

Simply not true. 3 shots through a scoped rifle in about 5 seconds (with the first shot at the first instant of that time) at a slow-moving target about 100 yards away is no big deal for a Marine-trained marksman.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:20 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: 1Old Pro

No evidence of him receving $6500 has been shown. What did he do with the money?? Make a down payment on a 1959 Studebaker Lark??


This sounds dubious to me. If it were true, it would have more concrete evidence. I don't think LBJ was frightened of Fidel Castro, with all due respect.


25 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:45 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: MeanWestTexan

and laying the pristine bullet on the gurney? LMAO

I qualified Expert while in the Marine Corps with a M-14 and I'm not sure I could have put three shots in the back of JFK's head & back while the open air limo was moving up the street using that POS bolt action rifle and scope that Oswald used...
nope, there were two and probably three snipers that day and you can bet your house they weren't using no 12 dollar rifles. LOL


26 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:48 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Kenny Bunk
...the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

About $38,000 in today's dollars.

27 posted on 01/05/2006 10:37:04 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: elbucko

I worked for a neurosurgeon who was a classmate of the doctor's who did JFK's surgery. He happens to be a history buff also and told me that when Jackie climbed on the back of the convertible she was retriving the back of the president's skull; that he could have been saved in surgery.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 10:37:44 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: SF Republican
I still believe Billy was miss Lily's best one.

Remember the joke going around after a few years of the "Jimmy & Billy Show":

Q. What woman in the US has the biggest boobs?

A. Lillian Carter. She has Jimmy and Billy.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 10:39:01 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Ancesthntr

"at a slow-moving target about 100 yards away is no big deal for a Marine-trained marksman."

Have you ever qualified?

Well I have. Expert!

and I have actually been in combat and taken shots and I'm telling you that that POS rifle Oswald used was not the rifle that killed JFK! PERIOD!


30 posted on 01/05/2006 10:40:03 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: mallardx
"As I remember it was a pretty cheap rifle."

All military surplus rifles were cheap in those days.

They still had the inherent accuracy that all military arms are made with though.

And we don't know how well Oswald could shoot.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 10:42:38 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: kellynla
they haven't been able to duplicate those shots with an identical rifle from the school book depository yet

Yes they have with the very rifle Oswald used and with bullets from the same Mfg lot.

It was on the History channel and Discovery.

To prove it was no fluke they did it twice with ballistic gel dummies. For the first go round everything went off without a hitch, for the second go round, they used dummies with cadaver bones, the bullet went through a bone that it was supposed to graze and did not break the skin of the 'Governor's' leg for that reason but it struck just where it was supposed to.

After the experiments they took the dummies to two different coroners who claimed that it was physically impossible for the wounds to both 'victims' to be caused by a single shot (sound familiar). When they were shown the video of the simulations, they were completely floored by it.

Another myth was that Oswalds rifle was a poorly constructed, rarely accurate weapon. This was proved false, they had several of the rifles for testing and they outperformed many high end weapons in terms of accuracy, range, and power.
32 posted on 01/05/2006 10:42:59 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Why does sour cream have an expiration date?)
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To: Obadiah

Here is a great documentary on everything you wanted to know about Oswald . ..

I think he was a misfit, and didn't need any encouragement or help from Russia or Cuba. A lot of the KGB thought that Oswald was either a flake or double agent.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/


33 posted on 01/05/2006 10:43:31 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: Obadiah

What did he do with all the money? Both him and his wife lived like paupers . .


34 posted on 01/05/2006 10:45:54 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: MeanWestTexan; kellynla
Kelly, this data about LHO and the cheap rifle is disinformation.

The Mannlicher Carcano is a real sleazy cheap-o, OK. But, is is also a very fast bolt action, more than reasonably accurate, and fired a very useful 6.5MM round at a fairly high velocity. Further more the recoil is rather light, which is a big help in fast shooting.

The bullet, a long FMJ, has excellent penetration because of its sectional density. Many countries used similar rounds with similar ballistics as their military cartridge for years. Various 6.5s are excellent hunting cartridges, too.

Oswald's alleged shots would have been duck soup for any qualified Marine. They were all in enfilade, that is going practically straight ahead, and the range wasn't great. As far as the speed of fire, three in six seconds? Piece of cake, especially if the first one is in the chamber and you're cocked.

This shooting has been duplicated over and over. There simply is very little doubt about it, LHO had equipment that was up the task. Wasn't great equipment, but adequate.

As far as the main premise of this film, namely that Castro took advantage of a walk-in? Well OK? But doesn't anyone find it a teensy bit coincidental that this walk-in lived in the the Soviet Union for so long?

I think this may be disinformation to cover the KGB, whom I believe to have been in it up to their eyeballs, possibly supplying LHO to Fidel.

I personally have always been on the "Fidel Dunnit" conspiracy team. Hopefully this "documentary" will shed more light in a dark corner. And co-incidentally make the Fidelistas among us, who are also JFK idolaters, look pretty damn stupid.

35 posted on 01/05/2006 10:46:25 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Froufrou
I worked for a neurosurgeon who.....told me that when Jackie climbed on the back of the convertible she was retrieving the back of the president's skull; that he could have been saved in surgery.

I believe it. She is not acting like someone who is seeking cover from a hail of bullets. For that, she would have been ducking down into the foot-well of the back seat. The way "Jackie" was crawling, seemingly with purpose over the back of the convertible, lends credibility to your post.

36 posted on 01/05/2006 10:47:08 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Kenny Bunk
Now com'on. I saw a "documentary" about the Kennedy assassination on the History Channel. They said it was not Castro or the Cubans, it was Clint Murcheson (owner of the Cowboys and and oil man)and Richard Nixon. Now there is no reason for them to be biased is there? Huh? Is there? Me? What the hell, I am still holding out for LBJ being behind it.

By the way. That Mannlichier-Carcano (sp?) rifle was sold mail order for $19.95. The last I heard nobody but no body had ever been able to place 3 shots in a moving target in the that short of time with one of these. Italian military rifle that was not very well made and not very accurate. Oh hell not accurate at all.
37 posted on 01/05/2006 10:49:16 AM PST by Long Distance Rider
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To: MeanWestTexan

Amen to that!!


38 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:27 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: floridaobserver
A lot of the KGB thought that Oswald was either a flake or double agent.

Yassure, that's what they said. But none of them address the facts that Oswald lived like a king in the Soviet Union, that they had him create a fictitious bio, that he was married to Marina, who's family were big in security, etc.etc.

In fact, the KGB tried to float the story line that they had NO INTEREST in LHO. This, in an era in which every foreigner in the USSR had a KGB Surveillance Squad and was required to live in bugged quarters.

cf Lee Epstein's "Legend."

39 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:49 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: HEY4QDEMS; kellynla
Just one more note;

The bullets' condition after the shots, (even the one that hit the rib bone), was virtually in the exact same condition as the so called "pristine" bullet recovered from Parkland Hospital.

40 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:50 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Why does sour cream have an expiration date?)
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