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Chief Justice Barbara Pariente said the program "diverts public dollars into separate private systems parallel to and in competition with the free public schools," which are the sole means set out in the state constitution for educating Florida children...........

As if competition is a bad thing.

1 posted on 01/05/2006 1:45:36 PM PST by fuyb
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2 posted on 01/05/2006 1:47:27 PM PST by Borges
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Where is the outcry for "choice"? Oh wait... that doesn't apply to schools.


3 posted on 01/05/2006 1:48:22 PM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake and Bushbot)
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Well, Heaven forbid the public school system have to compete....then they might actually have to produce. Amend the state constitution immediately, imho


4 posted on 01/05/2006 1:49:32 PM PST by delphirogatio
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The court also said that the state constitution specificlaly requires public education to be even and equal and that vouchers would give some kids a superior education... sounds like a constitituional amendment is need ed to allow vouchers.


5 posted on 01/05/2006 1:49:40 PM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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I like the first three words in the title, "Fla. Court Kills...". It seems so appropriate for what passes as justice in Florida these days.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 1:52:58 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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the Flori-Duh Kangaroos Kourts strikes again!!


7 posted on 01/05/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by prophetic
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"The Florida Supreme Court struck down a statewide voucher system Thursday that allowed children to attend private schools at taxpayer expense"

Yet you can go to a private university at taxpayer expense...


8 posted on 01/05/2006 1:55:40 PM PST by charrisGOP (Harri Anne Smith For Governor of Alabama...)
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So next step, cut taxes and starve the beast.

And let the judges try to order an increase in taxes. Taxation without representation can only go on for so long.

9 posted on 01/05/2006 1:55:59 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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Florida Supreme Court, Official Photo.


12 posted on 01/05/2006 1:57:38 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (The Main Stream Media: Al-Qaeda's most effective spy network.)
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It's time to try something else. Vouchers just won't fly at the moment.

So how about this: everyone that sends their child to a private school gets a tax refund equal to some fraction of the amount they would have spent in taxes to educate their child in a public system.

Someone with a $2000 property tax bill where $1000 was used for public education might get a $750 refund if they sent their child to a private school, for example.

This to me seems completely fair and would be a good start.


13 posted on 01/05/2006 2:01:42 PM PST by mc6809e
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This has almost nothing to do with "separation of church and state" (not a Constitutional imperative anyway). It has everything to do with the relative strength of teachers' unions and political clout at various levels.

Apparently even "non-denominational" private schools are also excluded from participating in the program.

The ultimate losers are the children who, for want of a viable alternative, are forced to be warehoused in non-performing public schools, and doomed to a life of unrealized potential. Not all of them, of course, as there shall be some very savvy students who rise above the limitations of their scholastic surroundings, and manage to teach themselves, becoming true stars of learning excellence.

But these same individuals may very well have fallen into a cycle of despair and failure instead. And that would have been the unforgivable crime against all humanity.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 2:02:37 PM PST by alloysteel (There is no substitute for success. None. Nobody remembers who was in second place.)
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What am I missing?

A kid could just purposefully fail a couple of years just to make taxpayers pay for private schooling.

Not only that, but why should I have to pay for your kid to go to private school, when I can't afford it myself?

AND, kids who fail a lot are generally troublemakers. If I paid for my kids to go to private school, I would not want a bunch of these kids there.

I don't get this voucher thing. And I don't get why conservatives are generally for it. It is a socialist program. Want a good education for your children? Work hard, pay the tuition for your own kid, or homeschool them.

Now, improving public schools is another argument.

17 posted on 01/05/2006 2:07:51 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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On we go to the Alito/Roberts Supreme Court!!!


18 posted on 01/05/2006 2:09:41 PM PST by quesney
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Legislating from the bench again. Florida schools are doomed. The Courts have put the legislature in a straight jacket. Basically, they are blackballing any idea that the legislature might come up with that would fix the problem, other than the higher taxes, which the voters will reject. So that leaves the Florida schools with no alternative but to sink further into the mire.


20 posted on 01/05/2006 2:14:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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in competition with the free public schools,"

What's wrong with giving largely failed, or at best mediocre public schools some competition? And public education isn't "free." One could easily make the argument that the public money spent on the existing public education system could be put to better use. Public schools aren't any more "free" than private schools.

21 posted on 01/05/2006 2:14:50 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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So 'splain this to me...

In Riveria Beach, FL eminent domain is taking private land for public use right now but...'Chief Justice Barbara Pariente said the program "diverts public dollars into separate private systems parallel to and in competition with the free public schools," which are the sole means set out in the state constitution for educating Florida children.'

So the government can take private property for public use, but the public can't take their own tax money and use it for private use, even if it is for the children?
27 posted on 01/05/2006 2:24:45 PM PST by jrestrepo
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Florida Constitution's requirement of a uniform system of free public education

There is nothing free about public schools when they are run by unionized public workers. They are socialist training camps.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 2:31:45 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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Their whole argument about diverting funding is a strawman. Think about it for a moment. As an example, say the state spends $10,000 a year per pupil in the public school system. Along come Mr. and Mrs. Smith who opt to use a voucher for $6,000 to put their child in a private school. It's now costing the state $6,000 to do what was requiring a $10,000 expenditure. To me that means the state, and the public school system that no longer has to expend anything for this student, is coming out $4,000 ahead $4,000 a year. If overcrowding was the problem the NEA and other teacher's unions say it was then they would welcome the opportunity to reduce the school population by one child AND pocket $4,000.

Their opposition to the voucher program has nothing to do with money or student population, and everything to do with their desire to control the educational system.
49 posted on 01/05/2006 3:09:39 PM PST by jwpjr
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In a 5-2 ruling, the high court said the program violates the Florida Constitution's requirement of a uniform system of free public education.

Free school uniforms?

60 posted on 01/05/2006 3:32:18 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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The constitution of the state that I live in says that the state will establish and maintain a public school system. It does not say that the state will subsidize private schools. If people don't like it then change their state constitution.


79 posted on 01/05/2006 5:25:15 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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