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Civil war erupts over Confederate handbags
DFW ^ | January 6, 2006 | JIM DOUGLAS

Posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner

BURLESON — Two North Texas high school students who were kicked out of class for displaying rebel flags vow to take their fight to court. They said they are proud of their heritage, but Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive.

Ashley Thomas remembered how it all started. "Principal comes up and says, 'You've got to get rid of your purse... it's racist."

Ashley and Aubrie McAllum both received purses patterened after the Confederate battle flag from their parents for Christmas. Both girls decided to take their presents to school.

"I don't have 'KKK' written on me or anything; it's just a purse," Aubrie said. "Doesn't have anything to do with what color you are."

The students were asked to leave their purses with the principal; they elected to leave school after calling their parents.

Ashley was sent home three times this week. "I'm at the point where I really don't know what to do," she said. "I want to keep going to school and get my education, but this is my life. I was born and raised in the South. Why is the flag so bad?"

Here's the answer, from Burleson ISD spokesman Richard Crummel: "It's a violation of the dress code," he said. "We don't want students to wear anything that might cause a disruption, and that symbol has done that in the past."

"Then that's a heritage violation on her, on me... on all of us," said Aubrie's father, Rick McAllum. "So we can push it."

McAllum belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Ashley's mom, Joni Thomas, is from New York. But the parents of both girls praised their daughters, and vowed to fight.

"I'm hiring a lawyer," Thomas said. "I'm going all the way with it, because I think it's wrong."

Burleson High School, with a 2,200 student enrollment, is about 90 percent white, 8 or 9 percent Hispanic. There are very few African Americans.

"We want to be sensitive to everyone; make it comfortable in school for all our students," Crummel said.

Both girls said they have never been in trouble and don't want trouble now.

But they don't want to back down, either.

School officials know controversy often follows the Confederate flag, and they will not let it in.

The girls as of Friday, decided to go back to school


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; handbags; heritage; heroines; history; ignorance; lawsuit; martyrs; tx; violation; wbts
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To: Pelayo
I think many Yankees just felt like fight'n Southerners who they perceived as spoiled, reactionary, and worst crime of all arrogant!

Hmm, I wonder why...?


481 posted on 01/12/2006 12:28:52 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: stand watie

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/odomo/Lagrange.html


482 posted on 01/12/2006 12:29:07 PM PST by injin
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To: Casloy
actually, Professor Blackerby, late chair of the Tuskegee University history department, says so.

he was the expert on Black CSA servicemen, having spent over 25 years researching the service/pension/enrollment records.

as for my use of "may", NOBODY is SURE what the total number was, as too many service records have been destroyed over the last 150 years.

"an educated guess" from Professor Blackerby is somewhere between 100K & 150K Black volunteers. (fwiw, the difference is that SOME people-mostly "mixedbloods" MAY have been counted twice. for example a 1/2 Black-1/2 Indian MIGHT have been counted as BOTH.)

i KNOW this doesn't fit your wishes, but until/unless you can come up with something more FACTUAL than what you have so far presented, i'll stick with the expert's opinion/facts.

as for you, go read BLACKS IN BLUE AND GRAY, and you'll know MORE than you evidently do now.

free dixie,sw

483 posted on 01/12/2006 2:19:42 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Casloy
once more, you have presented nothing but your UNinformed OPINION.

you have presented us with NOT a single fact. just more & more BLATHER & BILGE.

until you've studied this subject for as many years as i have (while doing research for a book on our tribe in the WBTS), i'll keep my INFORMED opinions & leave you with yours.

OBVIOUSLY, your mind is made up & NOTHING FACTUAL will change it. PITY!

free dixie,sw

484 posted on 01/12/2006 2:24:16 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
100K & 150K Black volunteers

Or approximately 10 percent of all confederate soldiers. You, sir, are residing on another planet. If you believe that I'd like to discuss a bridge I have for sale in New York.

485 posted on 01/12/2006 2:25:09 PM PST by Casloy
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To: stand watie
you have presented us with NOT a single fact.

That should read "You have not presented us with a single fact." Let me know when your "research" is finished and you have written a book. I'm sure it's going to be entertaining for all the wrong reasons.

486 posted on 01/12/2006 2:28:36 PM PST by Casloy
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To: jaguaretype; All
to: "jag" & everyone,

this takes the cake!

i quoted a SERVING U S Army Major General/Division Commander & he accuses ME of being DENSE & somehow FALSE!

i leave it to the reader(s) to decide whether "jaguaretype" is an empty-head or whether he HOPES everyone else here is ignorant/stupid/naive. AND i'd wager that he's spent NOT ONE SECOND on AD with ANY armed service. (he doesn't seem to recognise ANY of the jargon that all "vets" KNOW.)

"31D35" is the MOS for a serving USACIDC supervisor, who is also cross-trained in intelligence. (ONCE MORE your "credibility" such as it is, like that balloon i mentioned, goes BANG!)

btw, a "1542" WAS the old MOS for an INFANTRY OFFICER. it is NOT now, or ever was the MOS of an AG-type. (see, "jag", you know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT!)

to any current/former MIKE PAPAS, who may be reading this: you'll remember that there was a little "jody" that MPs used to sing on morning runs, as we passed the USAIS headquarters=====>; "I'm a B@st@rd, i'm a B@st@rd tried and true, BUT i'd sooner be a B@st@rd than a 1542."

enjoy your IGNORANCE of the military service & your hatefulness, "jag". hardly anyone else does.

free dixie,sw

487 posted on 01/12/2006 2:43:05 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Froufrou
WOW! small world, isn't it?

btw,i was NOT "a star" in HS, but was mostly a "bench-warmer" & "2d string" defensive player. (and certainly NEVER played "a single down" in college. just NOT good enough!)

btw,i'm pleased that he's NO RELATION to "RED Cindy", too!

free dixie,sw

488 posted on 01/12/2006 2:49:18 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Casloy
once more, TRY READING Prof. Blackerby's "PEER-reviewed" & WELL-REGARDED book.

THEN you'll know more about this subject.(on the other hand, perhaps you'd rather NOT be confused with "uncomfortable" FACTS!)

free dixie,sw

489 posted on 01/12/2006 2:52:25 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Casloy
and yet AGAIN, NO FACTS, just more BLATHER!

are you sure that you & "m.eSPINola", the clue-LESS one, aren't the SAME person with 2 guises????

free dixie,sw

490 posted on 01/12/2006 2:54:32 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: injin
you SHOULD have addressed this to ALL, as well as to me!

GOOD POINTS there.

free dixie,sw

491 posted on 01/12/2006 2:56:09 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie; Casloy
actually, Professor Blackerby, late chair of the Tuskegee University history department, says so.

No he wasn't the chair of history at Tuskegee. This is another of your lies. Hubert Curtis Blackerby was a former Army war correspondent during WW2, then worked as a publisher of "mass market publications" as it says on BIB&G's dust jacket. A little reseach will find the titles--detective and western pulps and comics. Under the name Curtis Blackerby, he published "Great Civil War Stories" (New York, Star Stories, 1961, 192 pp. paperback), also mentioned on the dust jacket. Curiously, while it mentions his background as war correspondent, publisher, author of the other book, and his membership in a military history society, there's no mention of Tuskegee, his being a professor, or anything like what you claim.

492 posted on 01/12/2006 2:59:43 PM PST by Heyworth
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To: stand watie
oh, right ...just something I found .
Maybe others will take the time to read it .
They really didn't have to do all that burnin and looting
and pillaging . Memories are long . And the Yanks wonder why
many Southerners still hate um.

Wars are often inevitable , but to not do as Sherman did is to spare countless members of future generations the anguish and
despair that they feel at what was once done. There is a lot to be said for that. We played it just right in post war Japan and Germany , by doing exactly the opposite of the way Sherman behaved . His behavior was more akin to Stalin's I believe.
493 posted on 01/12/2006 3:15:41 PM PST by injin
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To: stand watie

Well, but, I get you still probably have fairly good knees and back, right? Not everyone has to be a 'star player' you know. I didn't make the grade in debate class, either. Topic that year was "for? against? the VietNam war" and I can't remember which of mine was the least feeble...

:p


494 posted on 01/12/2006 5:01:20 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Casloy
Explain again to me "the forced will of majority" that drove the south to secede? It was the election of Lincoln that drove them out and he hadn't taken office or had a chance to force his will on anyone when they seceded.

The threat of force is a kind of compulsion. And if you had read the primary sources from the period, you'd know that Yankees, then as now, generally looked down on Southerners; though it was much more vitriolic back then. The election of Lincoln was viewed by most in the South as an example of a growing disenfranchisement. Because the North was more populous they tended to favor a more pure democratic approach to government. Whereas the South relied primarily on the Senate to maintain its power politically (for example of this anti-democratic mentality look at South Carolina's retention of the legislative system for choosing its presidential elections before the war). Granted that Lincoln didn't receive a popular majority, the point was he wasn't even on the ballot in most Southern states. You see if the North has so many electoral votes that they can go all a-which away and still the Republicans can win it means essentially that the electoral power of the South is meaningless. This BTW was probably the real reason for the Souths desire to see new western states become slave states, John C. Calhoun himself had admitted that it was unlikely slavery would ever really take to the western states as the land did not favor a plantation system of agriculture; but, it was hoped that new slave states would generally side with the South in the Senate at least. It's like how you need to win just so many fly-over states to counteract just the votes from New York.

Anyway, thanks to growing emigration from Europe to the North, the Southerners new it was only gonna get worse. So they figured that they had no choice but to either change their economy so that they could increase the population and compete politically with the North, or they had to accept a growing disparity between the relative power of the Yankee states and their own. They chose a third option, and left the Union so they could remain an agricultural society not dominated by large city populations like the North in which pure majorities have all practical power; a problem which Jefferson warned would lead America down a spiral towards all kinds of democratic abuses of individual liberty. It is a little unnerving when someone says “Right makes might... -Lincoln.” Rightness or wrongness is a fact, irrespective of political power or the support of a majority. If the North HAD invaded the South to free the slaves, that would have been right, regardless of whether they had won or not.

495 posted on 01/12/2006 5:58:46 PM PST by Pelayo
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To: Pelayo
I think many Yankees just felt like fight'n Southerners who they perceived as spoiled, reactionary, and worst crime of all arrogant!

Lemme try that again...

Rep. Preston Brooks SC responds to Sen. Charles Sumner MA "Crime Against Kansas" speech circa 1856.

496 posted on 01/12/2006 6:43:07 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: stainlessbanner
OMG not this sh$t again!

1. That IS NOT the Confederate Flag. It is the Confederate BATTLE Flag. Under it some of the bravest men in history fought and died for a cause they believed in. I salute them and their honor always.

2. School go pound sand. I hope these girls sue your a$$ of and win.

497 posted on 01/12/2006 6:55:37 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: brothers4thID
I know many Kiowa, Navajo, Paiute, Commanche and a lot of Sioux. Many of them are the biggest patriots I know. I have hunted, shared food and shelter with them. They are honorable and proud to be Americans. I would follow them into battle - no hesitation. A Commanche dog soldier is a fearsome warrior. Look up how many received medals in wars fought for the US. You will be surprised. Peace out.
498 posted on 01/12/2006 7:01:31 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY

What about all of the stupid wrist bands. I find them offensive.


499 posted on 01/12/2006 7:04:38 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: wallcrawlr

I wish Sherman was running the WOT. It would be over by now.


500 posted on 01/12/2006 7:10:08 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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