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Saddam's Terror Training Camps
http://www.weeklystandard.com ^ | 01/16/2006, | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 01/06/2006 3:22:52 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; globaljihad; iraq; saddam; salmanpak; stephenfhayes; terrorism; trainingcamps
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1 posted on 01/06/2006 3:22:53 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

"Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, "

But,but..didn't the 911 Commission determine there were no ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq??


2 posted on 01/06/2006 3:31:28 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Maybe these terrorists weren't wearing Al Qaeda badges.
3 posted on 01/06/2006 3:36:01 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the stormtroopers of socialism)
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To: Para-Ord.45
This surely has to be a mistake. There was definitely no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Ask any Dem and they'll tell you.
4 posted on 01/06/2006 3:36:35 PM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: Bigh4u2
You could have Saddam admit to the whole frigging world that he was training terrorists and the Left would STILL be in denial.

Overall, this article is great news but it won't sway the Cindy She-Mans of the world.

5 posted on 01/06/2006 3:36:54 PM PST by kromike
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To: Para-Ord.45
"The discovery of the information on jihadist training camps in Iraq would seem to have two major consequences: It exposes the flawed assumptions of the experts and U.S. intelligence officials who told us for years that a secularist like Saddam Hussein would never work with Islamic radicals, any more than such jihadists would work with an infidel like the Iraqi dictator. It also reminds us that valuable information remains buried in the mountain of documents recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past four years."

 

"Other officials familiar with the captured documents were less cautious. "As much as we overestimated WMD, it appears we underestimated [Saddam Hussein's] support for transregional terrorists," says one intelligence official.

Speaking of Ansar al Islam, the al Qaeda-linked terrorist group that operated in northern Iraq, the former high-ranking military intelligence officer says: "There is no question about the fact that AI had reach into Baghdad. There was an intelligence connection between that group and the regime, a financial connection between that group and the regime, and there was an equipment connection. It may have been the case that the IIS [Iraqi Intelligence Service] support for AI was meant to operate against the [anti-Saddam] Kurds. But there is no question IIS was supporting AI."


6 posted on 01/06/2006 3:38:47 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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Hard to believe that the Weekly Standard is the only rag that has seen these documents... if they exist...


7 posted on 01/06/2006 3:41:31 PM PST by oolatec
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To: Para-Ord.45

This appears to be a major story. Shouldn't this be breaking news? I won't hold my breath waiting for the evening news to report it.


8 posted on 01/06/2006 3:41:36 PM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: kromike
Overall, this article is great news but it won't sway the Cindy She-Mans of the world.

That's because Cindy-Lou (who?) shares the same trait that other liberal have: Minds of Concrete! (Throughly mixed and permanently set)

9 posted on 01/06/2006 3:43:52 PM PST by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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To: Para-Ord.45

"...transregional terrorists..."

Great. Just what we need. Yet another "Special Interest" group for the left to embrace. *Rolleyes*

Great news, but it will sadly be ignored far and wide, across the land.


10 posted on 01/06/2006 3:46:48 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

The sheer volume of documents they had in one warehouse alone was overwhelming. Considering how difficult it is even for native speakers to read, translate, and transcribe, 50,000 documents doesn't seem all that bad.

And, fwiw, there were classrooms near Ramadi where offensive use of chemical weapon was in the training materials.


11 posted on 01/06/2006 3:47:43 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Bigh4u2

I believe they said there were no operational ties. Talk about splitting hairs!
Besides this Saddam was a good overall guy though, even Ramsey Clark says so.
/s/


12 posted on 01/06/2006 3:48:07 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"-Samuel Johnson to the Dems of today.)
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To: backhoe; Peach
Other officials familiar with the captured documents were less cautious. "As much as we overestimated WMD, it appears we underestimated [Saddam Hussein's] support for transregional terrorists," says one intelligence official.

13 posted on 01/06/2006 3:49:00 PM PST by faq (www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I think in all fairness that what they say is there is no link between Iraq and 9-11.

But you say tomato and I say.........

I still hate libocrats


14 posted on 01/06/2006 3:51:26 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: Bigh4u2

Stephen Hayes has done a heroic effort in getting out the truth about Saddam's connections to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups while Democrats and their media lapdogs keep defending Saddam and claiming he was a little angel guilty of no wrong doing against America. Everyone should read Hayes' outstanding book "The Connection: How Saddam's Connections to Al Qaeda Endangered America." Great read. Thank you Mr. Hayes for working against the agendized media and getting the truth out about Saddam and terrorism.


15 posted on 01/06/2006 4:01:40 PM PST by MikeA
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To: Para-Ord.45
But Saddam had no connection to terrorism. Hasn't Turban Durbin, Pitiful Pelosi, Chuckie Schumer, Teddy Kennedy et al told us so? The collective mantra Bush lied, people died; no connection to terrorism; and Bush has no strategy is cast in stone for the Demonrats.
16 posted on 01/06/2006 4:09:15 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: luvbach1

Oh I mispoke. I should also have stated "Bush has no exit strategy" as an important component of the Demonrat mantra..


17 posted on 01/06/2006 4:11:51 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Mo1; Howlin; OXENinFLA; Ernest_at_the_Beach

For your records!


18 posted on 01/06/2006 4:12:23 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: oolatec
Hard to believe that the Weekly Standard is the only rag that has seen these documents... if they exist...

They're prolly the only "rag" to bother looking.

19 posted on 01/06/2006 4:19:45 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: oolatec

The author, Stephen Hayes, is one of the best. The Weekly Standard is NOT a rag.


20 posted on 01/06/2006 4:25:17 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: kromike
Overall, this article is great news but it won't sway the Cindy She-Mans of the world.

Nothing short of a nuclear bomb would sway these dingbats, and if that happened we'd all be dead anyway.

These people are dimented and live in a world based on emotion, rhetorical dribble, and mis-information.
21 posted on 01/06/2006 4:30:25 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I'm sure the mainstream media will be all over this story.


22 posted on 01/06/2006 4:35:28 PM PST by RightWinger
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To: Para-Ord.45

Mr. Hayes deserves a medal (for sticking with this story) at least as much as Tenet did.

Rush, Hannity, Snow, et al should be talking about this in the coming days...

It won't change the mind of the most commited 'rats, but setting the record straight is the right thing to do regardless.


23 posted on 01/06/2006 4:37:35 PM PST by steve1848
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To: MikeA
According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

Interesting that these briefings never made it down to the Senate or House Intelligence Committees.

24 posted on 01/06/2006 4:40:34 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: steve1848
Mr. Hayes deserves a medal (for sticking with this story) at least as much as Tenet did.

Hayes and Claudia Rossett (sp.?), who's been on top of the Oil for Food debacle, both deserve medals.

25 posted on 01/06/2006 4:42:29 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: oolatec

Do you know who are the editors of the Weekly Standard?

Not liars.


26 posted on 01/06/2006 4:43:31 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Para-Ord.45
I recommend the DVD "Uncle Saddam." It was filmed by, Joel Soler, a French director, who arranged to visit Iraq on his own just a few months before the U.S. invaded. Very eye opening film. Soler was wined and dined by Saddam's inner circle and was invited on board one of the 'great leader's' yachts. Much of the filming was performed by using hidden cameras. The director also wangled access to Saddam's secret film archives. Soler bribed officials and then smuggled film to France. In the Special Features section the director explains how this filming operation was very dangerous. Near the end of his commentary, he said, "I found documentary evidence proving that Saddam supported bin Laden and al Qaeda."

Soler claimed to be working on a similar project about Afghanistan. He said he intends to include film clips proving Saddam's support for bin Laden in the Afghan film.

If a young director could capture this type of incriminating evidence on his own -- I simply do not understand why this information is not public knowledge today. The CIA should have been all over this material.

27 posted on 01/06/2006 4:49:56 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
The CIA should have been all over this material.

The CIA is FAR too busy UNDERMINING The Administration.

28 posted on 01/06/2006 4:55:13 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: steve1848

The Lamestream media won't touch it with a ten foot pole because it blows there premise out of the water.


29 posted on 01/06/2006 4:56:11 PM PST by sr4402
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To: toddlintown
Do you know who are the editors of the Weekly Standard?

They are oil-grubbing Neocons, pawns in the Zionist conspiracy ... or something. ;)

30 posted on 01/06/2006 4:56:24 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: Bigh4u2

The Sudanese trained in Iraq are probably among those now committing the genocide in the Dafur region of Sudan; where Muslim "tribes" are destroying the villages (and villagers) of the non-Muslim "African" tribes in Dafur.


31 posted on 01/06/2006 5:07:00 PM PST by Wuli
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To: faq

Hopefully the administration will start talking about what they've found.


32 posted on 01/06/2006 5:16:13 PM PST by Peach
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To: Para-Ord.45

Evidence of 8000 terrorists trained in Iraq?

Yeah, I would say this is pretty important to SCREAM to the world.

We need the videos to slam this home.

Hopefully it will all come soon.


33 posted on 01/06/2006 5:22:46 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Para-Ord.45

Democrats are deeply saddened.
Msm will try to bury.


34 posted on 01/06/2006 5:28:09 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Bigh4u2

Yes the 9-11 Commission did say no ties, well except on pages 125, 134 of the report where it is clear the Iraqis were in the Sudan making WMD's for Al quaeda.


35 posted on 01/06/2006 5:28:47 PM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: oolatec
Hard to believe that the Weekly Standard is the only rag that has seen these documents... if they exist...

if they exist?????

36 posted on 01/06/2006 5:39:37 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Wuli
The Sudanese trained in Iraq are probably among those now committing the genocide in the Dafur region of Sudan; where Muslim "tribes" are destroying the villages (and villagers) of the non-Muslim "African" tribes in Dafur.

In Sudan, Death and Denial

"Tensions in Darfur have simmered since the 1970s, when drought and competition over scarce resources sparked clashes between largely nomadic cattle and camel herders, who view themselves as Arabs, and the more sedentary farmers, who see their ancestry as African. Both groups are Muslim."

That's not the first story about Darfur being Islamic Arab versus Islamic African.

37 posted on 01/06/2006 6:22:55 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: oolatec

Well, we get plenty of BS about the Bush Administration with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

There seem to be some serious allergies with regard to any information that might support the Iraq war.


38 posted on 01/06/2006 6:32:51 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Para-Ord.45
As some have voice two years back, it is only a matter of time until the facts start to get laid on the table in a more concise readable form for many Americans to read. Eventually as all hope totally fades for the Leninist and their L/MSM organs, slowly more things many of us have known for some time shall surface, even goon papers/mags will leak out articles.
Books shall be published. And GWB and company shall be vindicated from all the wrongs so many have tried to pin on them.
39 posted on 01/06/2006 6:35:25 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Books shall be published. And GWB and company shall be vindicated from all the wrongs so many have tried to pin on them.

20 years from now EVERYONE will have been a Terror Warrior in 2006, much as everyone who hindered our fight against the USSR later transformed themselves into longtime Cold Warriors.

40 posted on 01/06/2006 6:56:17 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: Mr. Buzzcut
" 20 years from now EVERYONE will have been a Terror Warrior in 2006.."
You got that right. And your analogy about the cold war is quite accurate. It would take a real basket case, to not see this as being the case.
41 posted on 01/06/2006 7:14:56 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: steve1848

In case you missed it, Mark Levin read from this Hayes piece on tonight's show.


42 posted on 01/06/2006 7:22:14 PM PST by pookie18 ((Hillary Rotten) Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Bigh4u2

Betcha no MSM reports this... bastardes. :(


43 posted on 01/06/2006 8:22:50 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I have heard from numerous and sundry leftist ignorami over and over again that "...there is not one scintilla of evidence that Saddam had anything to do with terrorism and 9/11." Well, you have to agree he is right, not one but 50,000 scintillas unearthed, so far. Did Saddam have anything to do with 9/11? Hey, leftist-freedom and American hating radical, wanna bet your life on that? 2 million documents to go!


44 posted on 01/06/2006 8:30:52 PM PST by Richard Axtell (We are approaching the Abyss, let's not let them steer us over the edge...)
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To: jazusamo
This surely has to be a mistake. There was definitely no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Ask any Dem and they'll tell you.

These are worthless confessions. Put panties on their heads, they're liable to say anything.

45 posted on 01/06/2006 8:48:12 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Bigh4u2

bookmark


46 posted on 01/07/2006 1:30:13 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Bigh4u2

bttt


47 posted on 01/07/2006 1:31:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Yes, I suspect the media will try (very hard) to bury this story. Let's hope bloggers and some journalists on Fox, etc., can put this out there for the public to see.


48 posted on 01/07/2006 8:13:16 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Peach

The President needs to mention in some of his speeches--maybe it could be worked into the State of the Union speech?


49 posted on 01/07/2006 8:14:14 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: neverdem

You are correct that "farmers", who are mostly non-Arab, consider themselves Muslim, my error.

And you are correct that the situation in Darfur is not new.

What is new in the past five years, is oil in the Darfur region (and oils higher world market price) has brought in tons of foreign capital and technology into Darfur (mostly communist Chinese) and it appears that the government in Sudan has exploited the old rivalries in the area by directly arming and aiding the "Arab" tribes as their proxy militias to clear the "rebelious" farmers out of the oil rich region.


50 posted on 01/07/2006 8:32:12 AM PST by Wuli
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