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When Real Judicial Conservatives Attack [Dover ID opinion]
The UCSD Guardian ^ | 09 January 2005 | Hanna Camp

Posted on 01/09/2006 8:26:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: mlc9852; Ichneumon
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Well if that isn't proof we didn't come from apes I don't know what is.

181 posted on 01/09/2006 11:50:56 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: puroresu; spunkets
No, it didn't extend the Bill of Rights to all jurisdictions:

That's right...what it did was constitutionalize and provide authority for the 1866 Civil Rights act...which enumerated the civil rights it protected...specifically the right "to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding.
1866 Civil Rights Act

But those are positive rights...not natural rights or fundamental rights and they're not the Bill of Rights

182 posted on 01/09/2006 11:51:17 AM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Looks like a tortured argument to me, based on the thesis that when Bingham referred to the first 8 amendments, he wasn't actually referring to the amendments, but to some part of the amendments. I prefer to take the man at his word.

In any case, I consider the establishment clause a fundamental liberty; it recognizes my right not to be subjected to a state religion.

Evidently, to some people interpretation is only activism if they personally disagree with it.

183 posted on 01/09/2006 11:53:47 AM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Physicist

Everybody's favorite Dr. Mengele did such experiments with Jews. After all, they weren't supposed to be human anyway. IIRC the experiments were a failure, but that didn't keep him from trying. I doubt Nazi "ethics" had a problem with it.


184 posted on 01/09/2006 11:58:00 AM PST by furball4paws (The new elixir of life - dehydrated toad urine.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

It seems like a pretty well-reasoned article to me. Quite "Scaliaesque"!


185 posted on 01/09/2006 11:59:01 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Irontank
>No, it didn't extend the Bill of Rights to all jurisdictions:

That's right...what it did was constitutionalize and provide authority for the 1866 Civil Rights act...which enumerated the civil rights it protected...specifically the right "to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding.
1866 Civil Rights Act

But those are positive rights...not natural rights or fundamental rights and they're not the Bill of Rights

Then why didn't they specifically write the 14th amendment to say that? Isn't that the arguement you used about it not mentioning the Bill of Rights directly?

186 posted on 01/09/2006 11:59:48 AM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: shuckmaster; mlc9852
A sick one you are!

I am not the one who claimed that a human is an ape. If humans are apes, why would an evolutionist have any qualms about the prospect of breeding with an ape?

If man is simply another animal, why would such a thought be repulsive to you? The only other alternative is that man was, in some way, created differently from the animal world.

How is it, if evolution is true, that man has a moral conscience and a sense of right and wrong? Where did that come from?

187 posted on 01/09/2006 12:01:08 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Antonello

####Evidently, to some people interpretation is only activism if they personally disagree with it.####


Why didn't the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause give women the vote?


188 posted on 01/09/2006 12:01:13 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: wfallen

You are confusing evolution for abiogenesis. Only creationists consider them to be the same.


189 posted on 01/09/2006 12:01:49 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Physicist
So why no protests when the football players thank Jesus for a touchdown? Although I do admit to being perplexed that they don't seem to blame Jesus for turnovers and drive-killing holding calls.

I also think He was having a little fun with Jay Feely in the Seattle game.

190 posted on 01/09/2006 12:02:34 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Antonello
Evidently, to some people interpretation is only activism if they personally disagree with it

That's about it. Slaughterhouse is maybe the single most egregious piece of judicial activism in the USSC's history. The USSC decided that they didn't like how the 14th amendment had altered the Constitution, so they simply decided to ignore part of it. But a lot of theocratic conservatives love Slaughterhouse, because it allows them to pretend the first amendment binds only Congress and not the states.

191 posted on 01/09/2006 12:03:55 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: mlc9852
Do you believe in astrology? What is your point?

Science isn't about what I "believe" or what "feels good" to fundamentalists.

Its about what the preponderance of evidence says.

192 posted on 01/09/2006 12:04:39 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor

Do you ever post to any threads other than those relating to evolution? Or is that your only reason for being on FR?


193 posted on 01/09/2006 12:04:56 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: connectthedots
If man is simply another animal, why would such a thought be repulsive to you?

If the thought doesn't repulse you then by all means try it and let us know your results.

How is it, if evolution is true, that man has a moral conscience and a sense of right and wrong? Where did that come from?

From mama and papa.

194 posted on 01/09/2006 12:05:25 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: mlc9852
Do you ever post to any threads other than those relating to evolution? Or is that your only reason for being on FR?

Yes, of course I do. And if I didn't, what business would it be of yours?

195 posted on 01/09/2006 12:05:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Ichneumon
mlc9852 is wrong *again*, but I suppose he must be getting used to that by now.

Lower batting average than a stopped clock.

196 posted on 01/09/2006 12:06:31 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Antonello

####Then why didn't they specifically write the 14th amendment to say that?####


They did. The provisions of the 1866 Civil Rights Act are what were understood at the time to be "privileges & immunities" issues and due process issues. Never in their wildest dreams did the ratifiers of the 14th Amendment think they were making the 1st Amendment applicable against the states.


197 posted on 01/09/2006 12:07:10 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Ichneumon
It does not follow that different members of the same higher-level taxon can necessarily interbreed. Gibbons and gorillas are both apes, but they can't interbreed either.

Assuming this to be true, then maybe you can tell us just what 'ape' is the ancestor of man? Maybe you can also explain why there are no transitional forms between this particular ape and man? Why are none of them still living?

198 posted on 01/09/2006 12:08:17 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: shuckmaster
If the thought doesn't repulse you then by all means try it and let us know your results.

I'm not an evolutionist, so such a thought is obviously repulsive to me. What's your excuse?

199 posted on 01/09/2006 12:10:43 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: puroresu
Why didn't the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause give women the vote?

It is my personal opinion that it should have.

200 posted on 01/09/2006 12:11:14 PM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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