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1 posted on 01/10/2006 1:49:23 AM PST by nickcarraway
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Sushi Das is a columnist and feature writer for The Age, where she has been for 10 years in various roles including Victorian news editor, transport editor, letters editor and state politics reporter.

2 posted on 01/10/2006 1:53:08 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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My response? Get over it. If you're a man and you have an opinion, speak out. Put your case. It will stand or fall on its merit. Stop being scared. There are plenty of women willing to listen. And if you get howled down, get up and say it again. That's how women got their voices heard in the 1970s.

My response? I like my job, my house, and my car. I don't need a harassment suit. I think I'll keep my opions to myself.

8 posted on 01/10/2006 2:18:08 AM PST by one more state
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As always in these gender wars threads, there will be those who let their personal experience contaminate logic.

Just because I know at about 10x as many decent women who were or are married to jerks as decent men who were or are married to jerks, does that make it so? Personally, I only know one sweet, decent man who is divorced because his wife is a jerk, but I'm sure they are many out there. The 3 remaining divorced men I know or work with are jerks, but that's just my experience. Conversely, I know at least 2 dozen women who have divorced their jerks--selfish men who cheated, lied, drank and many also stiffed their kids financially.

I wouldn't dream of painting all divorced men with the same brush. That would be stupid. I love men, but I don't love jerks.

As always, and will forever be, some men are jerks, some women are jerks. Jerks are mean and selfish, and that's why we call them jerks. If their spouses can afford to, they divorce the jerks. No one should have to live with a jerk.

And that's my theory on jerks.

14 posted on 01/10/2006 3:06:19 AM PST by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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A significant number were the bitter outpourings of men hurt by women. Some elucidated the frustrations of men who couldn't find Ms Right. Sadly, many were simply vitriolic or abusive.

Funny she says that, because that's the way she describes the responses she received are exact mirrors of how the majority of individuals (men who haven't been turned into eunuchs by PC-ism and women who enjoy being women) see feminists' rantings.

The Phantom FReeper's definition of a feminist: a woman who's bitter about not having her "needs" met, even though her poor attitude is generally the cause of the problem (and I'm female, so no one better call me a chauvinist).

17 posted on 01/10/2006 3:35:41 AM PST by The Phantom FReeper (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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You can't have a conversation with a woman who can never be wrong about anything.

America has the most unhappy women on earth while they are the most affluent and spoiled.

The common sense advice is "don't talk to them."

20 posted on 01/10/2006 3:50:29 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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"If you're a man and you have an opinion, speak out."

It is less aggravation and just as productive to just avoid the b*tches. No use wrestling in the mud with a pig, you just get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
21 posted on 01/10/2006 3:52:05 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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a rat is a dog is a pig is a feminist (with profound apologies to rats, dogs and pigs)...


28 posted on 01/10/2006 5:52:22 AM PST by martin gibson (I know not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death!!!)
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But men should also let common decency be their guide to appropriate behavior. Being a decent human being shouldn't be that hard.

In a perfect world, being a decent human being would not only not be that hard, it would be enough. Unfortunately, there are enough women out there that simply are not decent that steps must be taken to protect oneself, same as with men of the same general odor.

As the situation stands now, in a case of 'he said, she said', the woman is more likely to prevail than the man. And women will lie.

29 posted on 01/10/2006 7:08:40 AM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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The unnamed woman, conservative, FReeper ping.

When the shouting from our respective corners is over, perhaps resentment from both sides will melt.

33 posted on 01/10/2006 9:08:00 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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I think that feminism put unrealistic expectations on women that took a couple of different forms: 1) you CAN have a family and career and happy marriage and everything OR 2) you don't need a man and if you do you're not a "real" woman.

Neither one is realistic. And women are left feeling overwhelming pressure to create a martha stewart home in scenario #1 and left feeling guilty for admitting they want a stable and loving relationship with a man in scenario #2.

Feminism wants to overwrite a very basic fact: women and men are NOT the same. That's just how it is and learning how to navigate the differences is going to get you a lot further in life than pretending (or demanding) that the differences don't exist.

37 posted on 01/10/2006 9:17:05 AM PST by lawgirl (Every vow I ever take is just pretending that this mess I make is worth defending...</bnl>)
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feminism= social carcinoma.

End of story.

51 posted on 01/10/2006 9:50:11 AM PST by Jim Noble (Fiat justitia, ruat coelum)
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I don't think this woman is likely to have seen the cutting edge of a sexual harrassment charge coming at her or she wouldn't think it quite that easy to "just speak up." Try it in a corporate environment and it can cost you your job. Radical feminism is not only institutionalized within the Human Resources departments, it is nearly all-pervasive. I speak from sad experience here.

That said, there are definitional issues that this particular author may be too young to recognize, specifically the difference between equal rights, "feminism," and "women's liberation." This is not an issue that ever was restricted to half the population - women got the vote through the cooperation of the men who had it, some of whom took a considerable political risk in doing so. It was a far less adversarial movement than latter-day feminists like to pretend.

What happened? It was deliberately soured by political activists who insisted on casting the issue in the Marxian modality of an oppressed class and a violent and adversarial liberation of that class in a zero-sum game in which rights are not granted to all but taken one from the other. Conflict is inherent in this model and necessary to it.

And like all Marxian movements it produced a privileged sub-class - a "cadre" - that is a minority of the overall population that has a vested interest in maintaining the conflict and embittering the opponents. These are agitators, professional "feminists" who populate the HR departments, the Women's Studies schools, the popular literary culture. They do not want peace between the sexes any more than a race hustler wants peace between black and white. It doesn't suit their interests.

It's an entirely artificial conflict but it's a bugger to stop now that it is proliferated by unjust law, unrealistic expectations of "gender"-blind performance, and a bitter, vengeful minority that is gleefully acting the oppressor because its members have convinced themselves that that is what was done to them and that retribution is in order. Peace will not be possible with those women - it's the last thing they want.

52 posted on 01/10/2006 9:50:17 AM PST by Billthedrill
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When a woman tells me she wants "equality" I tell her she can change her own damn flat tires from now on.


59 posted on 01/10/2006 10:18:50 AM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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Globalization is going to be the downfall of extreme feminism. More and more American men will choose to marry women from traditional values countries. Darwin will win again as shrill feminists will not propagate their caustic genes.


91 posted on 01/10/2006 11:52:00 AM PST by winner3000
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Second, they felt they were victims too, but women didn't listen to them.

Oh, great. Everybody's a victim.

Perhaps it is governments that are not listening to men, rather than women.

Perhaps it is women obsessing about womyn.

My response? Get over it. If you're a man and you have an opinion, speak out.

Ok. You are a brainless gynocratic twit that thinks entirely too much of your gender. How's that?

97 posted on 01/10/2006 11:57:04 AM PST by sauropod (Walk with the King today and be a blessing.)
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In relationships, they felt some women were "not very nice to men" and were often too selfish to consider their needs.

Aw, poor little fellers. If they had any self-respect whatsoever they'd dump the broads in question, quit complaining, and move on. Metrowimp victimologists.

118 posted on 01/10/2006 12:38:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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Ich liebe Das Sushi!


188 posted on 01/10/2006 2:20:26 PM PST by Revolting cat! (<)
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http://www.john-ross.net/feminism.htm


193 posted on 01/10/2006 2:38:25 PM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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Why in the world should men respect women if they are so willing to give it away for free?

I recently read an article where a fellow talked about going out with Oriental women. He loved the fact that they took time to actually dress up and at least try to look good. He also commented on their femininity, and how they rarely swore or made a scene in public.

And I agree. If I want to hear the F word tossed around all over the place, I'll head for a greasy spoon on the Interstate and listen to the truckers.


210 posted on 01/10/2006 3:35:35 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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What rot. Men don't tell feminists they were useless bags of human debris because it is obvious and they aren't worth our time. Men are not the least bit interested in victim status, and the spread of whining crybabies everywhere is one of the thing we hate most about modern culture. And we don't need to be lectured about decency, we defined and instituted the concept. Feminists just shit on it.
223 posted on 01/10/2006 4:04:58 PM PST by JasonC
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