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Local Insurgents Tell of Clashes With Al Qaeda's Forces in Iraq
NY Times ^ | January 11, 2006 | SABRINA TAVERNISE and DEXTER FILKINS

Posted on 01/11/2006 7:16:20 PM PST by jmc1969

The story told by the two Iraqi guerrillas cut to the heart of the war that Iraqi and American officials now believe is raging inside the Iraqi insurgency.

A group of local fighters from the Islamic Army gathered for an open-air meeting on a street corner in Taji, a city north of Baghdad.

Across from the Iraqis stood the men from Al-Qaeda, mostly Arabs from outside Iraq. Some of them wore suicide belts. The men from the Islamic Army accused the Qaeda fighters of murdering their comrades.

"Al-Qaeda killed two people from our group," said an Islamic Army fighter who uses the nom de guerre Abu Lil and who claimed that he attended the meeting. "They repeatedly kill our people."

The encounter ended angrily. A few days later, the insurgents said, Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia and the Islamic Army fought a bloody battle on the outskirts of town.

The battle, which the insurgents said was fought on Oct. 23, was one of several clashes between Al Qaeda and local Iraqi guerrilla groups that have broken out in recent months across the Sunni Triangle.

American and Iraqi officials believe that the conflicts present them with one of the biggest opportunities since the insurgency burst upon Iraq nearly three years ago. They have begun talking with local insurgents, hoping to enlist them to cooperate against Al Qaeda, said Western diplomats, Iraqi officials and an insurgent leader.

According to an American and an Iraqi intelligence official, as well as Iraqi insurgents, clashes between Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia and Iraqi insurgent groups like the Islamic Army and Muhammad's Army have broken out in Ramadi, Husayba, Yusifiya, Dhuluiya and Karmah.

In town after town, Iraqis and Americans say, local Iraqi insurgents and tribal groups have begun trying to expel Al-Qaeda's fighters, and, in some cases, kill them.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 01/11/2006 7:16:22 PM PST by jmc1969
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wow !!!!

The New York Slimes actually printed something POSITIVE about Iraq!!

The sky is falling!!!

:-) :-) :-) :-)

3 posted on 01/11/2006 7:18:56 PM PST by prophetic
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To: jmc1969
"Al-Qaeda killed two people from our group," said an Islamic Army fighter who uses the nom de guerre Abu Lil and who claimed that he attended the meeting. "They repeatedly kill our people."

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas!.

Were it not for your "insergency" there would be not terrorists in your country.

4 posted on 01/11/2006 7:19:48 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: jmc1969; Southack; Cap Huff

Matter of time....before they hunt down Zarqawi and kill him.


5 posted on 01/11/2006 7:20:49 PM PST by Dog
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To: jmc1969

Iraq is for Iraqis.


6 posted on 01/11/2006 7:21:39 PM PST by J.Birch
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To: jmc1969
What's this world coming to when there is no trust between homicidal madmen?
7 posted on 01/11/2006 7:21:45 PM PST by Nateman ( Clinton happens.)
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To: jmc1969

Excellent.


8 posted on 01/11/2006 7:22:11 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jmc1969
Quagmire.

FOR THE Al QUAIDA!

9 posted on 01/11/2006 7:23:08 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: prophetic
The New York Slimes actually printed something POSITIVE about Iraq!!The sky is falling!!!

More like the NYSlimes revenue, stock prices, circulation, advertising income, etc. are falling, and they think that maybe if they print the occasional TRUE and FACTUAL article, they'll stop their own financial bleeding. Too little, too late.

10 posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:14 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: jmc1969

Now thats a civil war I can cheer for. I hope they both lose!


11 posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:25 PM PST by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: jmc1969

While this would be wonderful news, it is also from the October time frame and was printed by the NY Slimes.

My trust factor is low.


12 posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:59 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (They said that Queens could stay. They blew the Bronx away and sank Manhattan out at sea!)
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To: Dog
local Iraqi insurgents and tribal groups have begun trying to expel Al-Qaeda's fighters, and, in some cases, kill them.

We will know that they are really PO'd when they humiliate the Arab fighters with panties on their noggins.........

13 posted on 01/11/2006 7:28:15 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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have broken out in Ramadi, Husayba, Yusifiya, Dhuluiya and Karmah

Heh!
14 posted on 01/11/2006 7:31:02 PM PST by Pox
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Liberating Iraq PING ... this is VERY interesting ...

"The tribes are fed up with Al Qaeda and they will not tolerate any more," said a senior Iraqi intelligence official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The intelligence official confirmed reports that a Sunni tribe in Samarra had tried and executed Qaeda members for their role in assassinating a local sheik.

"It was a beautiful mistake," the intelligence official said of the sheik's assassination by Al Qaeda. "Now the tribes will kill Al Qaeda. Now they have the courage."

An Attack's Repercussions

Samarra, north of Baghdad, had been infiltrated by Al Qaeda's fighters. In desperation, a local sheik, Hekmat Mumtaz al-Baz, traveled to Baghdad in September to meet with Iraq's defense minister and ask for help, said one of the sheik's aides, Waleed al-Samarrai. A few weeks after the visit, the sheik was shot dead by Qaeda gunmen in his yard.

The account was confirmed by a member of the tribe, and a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Baghdad. Mr. Samarrai spoke in an interview in Al Wasat Hospital in Baghdad, where his brother, Salim, the sheik's bodyguard, who was wounded in a fight with Al Qaeda, was convalescing.

The tribe was furious, and its members tracked down the three men who carried out the killing. Elders from the tribe held a trial in a local farmhouse and interrogated the men for days. They said they worked for a fighter from Saudi Arabia who bankrolled the attacks, Mr. Samarrai said.

The Samarrai brothers said Al Qaeda's appeal was based less on religion than on money. The Iraqis who killed the sheik were believed to have received $500 to $1,000 for the job, and the same amount for dozens of other similar killings, Waleed al-Samarrai said. He said local insurgents had changed allegiances, lured away by Al Qaeda's money.

Members of the tribe swept the town and arrested 17 people they suspected were associated with the sheik's killing. In one house raid, the tribe found men from Sudan, Morocco, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, a member of the tribe said.

Al Qaeda's fighters struck back during the tribe's offensive. A foreign Arab believed to be a Saudi dressed in a suicide belt blew himself up at the sheik's funeral, killing one guest and wounding two, said Salim al-Samarrai, who said he witnessed the attack.

As a lesson to all those associated with the sheik's death, the tribe staged a public killing. While the sheik's father watched, men with machine guns shot the three men who carried out the assassination, the Samarrai brothers said.

"Someone from outside the tribe should not tell us what to do," said Waleed al-Samarrai, standing next to Salim's hospital bed. "It is unacceptable for us."

Tactical Disputes

Disagreements over Al Qaeda's bloody tactics between local insurgents and Al Qaeda's fighters are as old as the war. Abu Lil, who fought in Taji in October, for example, claimed to have met with Qaeda fighters in late 2003. The militant group had just claimed responsibility for a double car bombing in Baghdad, and insurgents from the 20th Revolutionary Brigade, a nationalist group that Abu Lil belonged to at that time, were angry about the high civilian death toll.

Abu Lil, an elfin man with a cotton scarf tied around his head, talked in detail about the meeting as he sat on a couch in a house in Baghdad. The meeting was held in a farmhouse in Mosul, he said. About 25 men from Al Qaeda attended. Several appeared to be from Pakistan. Some spoke Arabic so poorly that they had to speak through a translator.

The discussion dragged on for seven hours, he said, but did not go well. The local insurgents demanded that the foreigners from Al Qaeda leave Iraq.

"They said, 'Jihad needs its victims,' " Abu Lil said. " 'Iraqis should be willing to pay the price.' "

"We said, 'It's very expensive.' "

The meeting ended abruptly, and Abu Lil and his associates walked out, feeling powerless and angry.

"I wished I had a nuclear bomb to attack them," he said. "We told them, 'You are not Iraqis. Who gave you the power to do this?' "


15 posted on 01/11/2006 7:34:09 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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While interviewing an anonymous US Special Forces soldier, a Reuters News agent asked the soldier what he felt when sniping members of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan. The soldier shrugged and replied, "Recoil."

We still have them thank GOD
16 posted on 01/11/2006 7:46:46 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: jmc1969

Is this a case of red-on-red? Any military want to help clue us in?


17 posted on 01/11/2006 7:46:58 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should BEHEAD their PR guy!)
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To: K4Harty

Its a case of the Iraqis expelling the non-Iraqis. So, yes the insurgency is splitting apart.


18 posted on 01/11/2006 7:51:39 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

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19 posted on 01/11/2006 7:56:36 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Hook'em Horns!)
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To: jmc1969

Thanks JMC. After re-reading it I came to that conclusion also, but I appreciate the help.


20 posted on 01/11/2006 7:57:10 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should BEHEAD their PR guy!)
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