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The would-be president is messing with ire (NY fans-turned-critics wash their hands of Hillary)
Sydney Morning Herald. ^ | 1/13/05 | Anne Summers

Posted on 01/12/2006 3:39:19 PM PST by Libloather

The would-be president is messing with ire
January 13, 2006

Fans-turned-critics say Hillary Clinton is sacrificing principle in the hunt for votes, writes Anne Summers.

It is still more than two years before the major parties in the United States decide upon their candidates for the 2008 presidential elections, and it is widely assumed that the Democratic Party candidate will be the junior senator from New York, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

You might expect the political conversation among Democrats to be along the lines of "Is Hillary electable?" (given the preponderance of red states on the American political map) but many in her natural base have already washed their hands of her.

At a dinner party in New York City last week with a group that included writers, lawyers, a former senior staffer for the Clinton administration and a columnist for The New York Times, the hatred of Hillary Clinton was unconcealed. It was articulated with the passion of persons scorned. Clinton has not just disappointed, she has betrayed them.

I might have been more surprised at the way these Upper West Side liberals were slagging off someone many of them would once have seen as a political ally if not a friend, had it not been for a pretty savage piece in that week's New York magazine.

"The Trouble with Hillary" by columnist Kurt Andersen pretty much covered the waterfront of why Clinton is so disdained by so many New York liberals. She is "all about cool calculation and calibration in service to the main chance", Anderson wrote, but unlike her husband who was equally calculating, she lacks his charm and appearance of sincerity. One problem Clinton has is that no one likes her.

"She has cold, staring eyes," one of my dinner companions remarked. She comes across as "wooden, priggish, cold, too much superego, and too little id", said Andersen.

A far bigger complaint is not about her personality, but her politics. In recent months, Clinton has cosied up to the leading members of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" she once excoriated for trying to bring down her husband. (That was before she knew the truth about Monica Lewinsky.)

The former House speaker Newt Gingrich torpedoed the "Hillarycare" health insurance plan back in 1994 but that hasn't stopped her making recent common cause with him - on the need to reform health care. She infuriated many on her side when she gave a joint press conference with what Andersen described as "her two most appalling Christian-right colleagues", Rick Santorem and Sam Brownback to call for $US90 million ($120 million) in federal funds to investigate their contention that the internet and other electronic media are "satanic".

Never mind that Clinton buys into this devil stuff. More upsetting was her consorting with Santorem, the Pennsylvania senator whom many Democrats see as the devil incarnate. The Democratic Party is so determined to defeat Santorem in this year's Senate race that it has endorsed a once-unthinkable candidate, anti-choice, pro-gun Bob Casey, who happens to be the son of the man who, as governor of Pennsylvania in 1992, took Planned Parenthood all the way to the Supreme Court to try to restrict access to abortion.

So abhorrent is Santorem that even women's groups and the progressive moveon.org have swallowed hard and supported Casey.

Clinton is also criticised for her seeming shift to the centre on abortion rights, for her loony belief that video games such as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas have secret sex scenes embedded in them, and for her recent co-sponsoring of a new flag protection act that, said Andersen, will make flag burning and inciting riots "even more illegal than they already are".

All of this is seen as Clinton positioning herself for the presidency. There is no doubt that to win she needs to appeal to a far broader base than New York City liberals. She has done so before.

Clinton had to persuade the largely conservative voters of New York State to elect her - a liberal, feminist, pro-choice, anti-gun carpetbagger - as their senator. As one political insider reminded me last week, she succeeded by conducting an extensive "listening tour" of the state, going into towns and villages that had never seen a celebrity, taking note of their concerns and convincing them she would act on them.

This insider is confident Clinton can do the same with America.

To become president she has to hold all the blue states captured by John Kerry in 2004 and to find an additional 34 electoral college votes. The most discussed scenario says she must win Ohio (20 votes) - which was narrowly lost by Kerry and was the subject of allegations of vote-rigging - and two other, smaller states.

Mathematically, it is possible. Politically, the challenge is to make herself appeal to enough people in those three conservative states to put her over the line.

It is a quest that is no doubt aided by movie star Tim Robbins saying last week that "Hillary Clinton can kiss my butt" because of her refusal to call for an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, a position that upsets her former supporters more than any of her other policy slides.

But her stance enables her to position herself as a potential commander-in-chief and neutralises the appeal of, say, John McCain if he is the Republican nominee - on this issue at least.

We can expect more political somersaults from Clinton once she gets herself re-elected senator in November and can then fully focus on the main game. And there will be many more screams from scorned supporters.

The big question is: will spurning her base enable her to win enough "red" necks to become the 44th president or will she end up being reviled by everyone? It's going to be a fascinating ride.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: clinton; critics; fans; hands; hillary; hillary2008; ire; messing; ny; president; rats; turned; wash
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One problem Clinton has is that no one likes her. "She has cold, staring eyes,"


1 posted on 01/12/2006 3:39:21 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

If Hitlery wins in '08 I'm going to join Butch and Sundance in Bolivia.


2 posted on 01/12/2006 3:45:41 PM PST by kjo
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To: Libloather

Another problem Hillary has is that she will bring out voters in the Republican and conservative base like nothing else will. She may be scorned by the looney libs, but she's destested by the right. And she can flip-flop around all she wants; I don't think anyone's buying it.


3 posted on 01/12/2006 3:51:36 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Libloather

"...sacrificing principle..."

That's a hot one. As if she had any to sacrifice.


4 posted on 01/12/2006 3:52:30 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: hsalaw

"Another problem Hillary has is that she will bring out voters in the Republican and conservative base like nothing else will."

Too true, but at least she understands that elections are won and lost in the middle. The looney left dissing her doesn't seem to get it (good for us). They seem to think that Americans are just clamoring for a socialist president.


5 posted on 01/12/2006 3:56:49 PM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Libloather

The big question is: will spurning her base enable her to win enough "red" necks to become the 44th president or will she end up being reviled by everyone?

Here's a clue Anne.
Is Algore or John Kerry our President or are they reviled by
everyone...


6 posted on 01/12/2006 3:58:23 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Libloather

It's all a plot. These liberals know what they see is not the real Hillary. They pretend to hate her since they know she is totally unprincipled and will play conservative (wink-wink) just to win the Presidency. Then she will take off the mask and be her real self. They are hoping she will pick off a number of undecided votes and all the liberals will vote for her. Then she wins. At least that's the plan as I see it.


7 posted on 01/12/2006 3:59:05 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Libloather

"Clinton has not just disappointed, she has betrayed them."

I thought this was one of the qualities that they liked in her.


8 posted on 01/12/2006 4:00:48 PM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful muslim...The Ultimate Oxymoron!)
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"That was before she knew the truth about Monica Lewinsky."

Ha! She knew the truth about Monica Lewinsky the moment she heard about her, simply because she had known her husband for more than 20 years.

9 posted on 01/12/2006 4:01:17 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Libloather

"...their contention that the internet and other electronic media are "satanic"." Did I miss something?


11 posted on 01/12/2006 4:06:44 PM PST by D_Idaho
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To: Verginius Rufus
She knew the truth about Monica Lewinsky the moment she heard about her, simply because she had known her husband for more than 20 years.

In fact, I bet she predicted Monica before Bill met her.

12 posted on 01/12/2006 4:09:54 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: kjo

I think it should be BOXER/Hillary in 08!

unbeatable

I can't say enough

I can't


13 posted on 01/12/2006 4:15:28 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: Libloather

If Hillary runs, the Republicans needs to finance a left wing moonbat to run on the "Lunar" ticket to draw those votes away. Hillary would be hung out to dry in the middle.

If no candidate runs to her left, they will vote for her. They sure aren't going to vote for a Republican.


14 posted on 01/12/2006 4:19:56 PM PST by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times will pick himself up and carry on.)
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To: Libloather

LOL! These people will nominate She Who Must Not Be Named, fill her campaign chests with their nickels, lie and cheat and steal and vote for her - but there I'm being redundant - with their eyes focused on their fantasy world and their little legs goose-stepping for all they're worth. They will absolutely do this because they're either too stupid or too brainwashed or both to do otherwise. I'd bet on that along the same lines I'd bet on the sun rising in the east.


15 posted on 01/12/2006 4:22:55 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

They will oppose her in the primaries and support her in the race against ANY republican. Just as they "held their nose as they pulled the lever" for Bill.


16 posted on 01/12/2006 4:32:44 PM PST by jdsteel (Just because you're paranoid does not mean they are NOT out to get you!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I strongly suspect Mrs. Clinton "managed" the Lewinsky relationship from start to finish.


17 posted on 01/12/2006 4:34:07 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: kjo
If Hitlery wins in '08 I'm going to join Butch and Sundance in Bolivia.

If Hillary wins, Butch is in the Whitehouse.

18 posted on 01/12/2006 5:00:18 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Libloather

It's the old 'too cute by half' or in Hillary's case, not too cute by half. I really have far more respect for liberals who are up front liberals, someone like a Christopher Hitchens, than someone who tries to play to the audience. Most people can sense when they are being played to and they don't like it.


19 posted on 01/12/2006 5:14:08 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Libloather

Hillary is in trouble if the lunatic fringe of the Democrat party - the Howard Deaniacs, et al. - don't forgive her "pro-war" stance and come back to her before Nov. 2008. It will take a lot of Bill's snake oil. With any luck, they'll put up another nutcase like Kucinich to represent their values.

I wonder why this writer didn't bother to find out how to spell Rick Santorum's name?


20 posted on 01/12/2006 5:17:54 PM PST by steelcurtain
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