Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question

cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

[Calpernia]

BTTT!

[longtermmemmory]

Murtha sees the Iraq war as an impediment to his ability to take pork projects to his district. As long as a the US military is activly engaged he can't compete with BS justifications for military pork for his district.

If he was a real military "hero" he would have down played his service as "hero" grade. His leaning on his military service has Kerry-esque credibility problems.

[freema]

"If you want to move on and focus on what Murtha is doing today, please do so. Please ping me with an after action report."

[freema]

Count me in to preserve and protect the honor and integrity of this medal.

[river rat]

I would bet Granny's rum bearing cow - that this bill will never see the light of day..

If by some miracle it does get passed -- it will do nothing to harm a politician poseur....
For this bill to have any chance of passing -- members of Congress will have to be EXEMPT from prosecution...

WHY? Because Kerry and Murtha are not the only congress critters that have "padded their military resume".....

Bet on it?

Semper Fi

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Bet on it?"

No, I'm not a betting person.

It will give all of us a chance to see
which Republicans and Democrats oppose
this bill.

Then we will know who the real enemies are.

[Criminal Number 18F]

There are two questions here: what is right, versus what is politically sound.

I think it is a political mistake to attack Murtha because the MSM is so dedicated to the "Murtha the war hero" meme.

It has been Murtha's signal claim that has put him into office, and it has protected his flanks from his career-long lust for cutting and running.

Remember, he:

1. Betrayed our VN dead by cutting and running

2. Betrayed our Lebanon dead likewise

3. Betrayed our Somali dead likewise

4. Now wants to betray our GWOT dead...

That last group includes many of my friends, and none of his. He never saw a threat he wouldn't appease or submit to. The man is a moral coward.

Frankly, once I learnt Murtha was an intelligence officer I knew instinctively the purple hearts were bogus. I don't know why but MI weenies have always been disproportionately represented among those who claim false honors.

So -- while it probably is politically unproductive for us to expose this phony, for those of us who ARE combat vets it is a moral necessity, however tactically unsound it might be.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[freema]

I don't like rum unless I'm on an island ! )

And I'm real tired of prostituting our troops.

You have a good point, however.
But for them to exempt themselves...
I'll want to see all the votes and all records of discussion prior to the vote.

[freema]

Your words are like water in the desert.

[Mr. Silverback]

Yeah, getting that law passed is an outstanding idea. Change my previous comments about send it to the Boston DA and make it sending it to the U.S. Attroney.

Good to see you going for a reasonable secondary position here.

[Mr. Silverback]

Wow. You must be like, 80 years old or something, because I've never met anybody as mature as you.

[freema]

I am trying to be polite, I have no desire to argue with you or exchange barbs. I think it's safe to say no one does.

You made it quite clear you didn't want to focus on the topic of this thread and you're making it obvious you don't want to move on and focus on what Murtha is doing today, despite the fact that you said that's what you wanted to do. If you want to stay here to focus on insults and being hateful and rude, which is also obvious, bring it on.

However, just for the record, again, I think it's safe to say no one wants to go there. Please, move on.

[Criminal Number 18F]

Your link didn't work because you left a space between "president." and "php?" -- here is a working (and tested) link.

Columbus Dispatch Story.

Not sure what your point was posting this, as it is a pro-Kerry story (well, that would be the only kind the Columbus Dispatch would run).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Calpernia]

Oh Thank You!

[freema]

Thanks. It was like that when I double checked it, so I assumed that space was supposed to be there, AND my computer is being a stinker these days. I didn't try removing it, duh.

Gosh, I don't know if I can explain the point.

I thought it was worth keeping all eyes open (always) and this article referenced the DEM strategy with Kerry was to keep all eyes ON SWPVT and off his senate record. Of course, it backfired. IMHO. I'd never actually seen that in print before and thought it was worth noting.

There had been some discussion about Murtha's medal question being a trap, which implies some sort of strategy. If that strategy is to blame Republicans for questioning it, what's new? Republicans get blamed for the sun coming up. For various reasons I, personally, don't have any inclination the medals are a trap to re-start another/same argument over another set of medals.


That said, (remember I like to keep all eyes open) IF it is a trap, I would think the more likely explanation is that he's in even deeper with the ethics issues than has been reported.

IMHO.

Does that make sense?

[freema]

Ping

[Calpernia]

William L. Schachte statement was good too.

[freema]

Yes that's good and I don't know that I'd ever seen that either. I went on board with SVPFT right after the election. I'd come in the game late because of lurking and listening and learning there in the months leading up to the election. It was all coming so fast and it was all I could do to keep up-I was so busy reading I had no time to open my mouth. That's not necessarily a bad thing ; )

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"From Ray Funderburk, MOPH

The greatest threat to the sanctity and significance of the Purple Heart comes from the medal's easy availability. Anyone can buy one at flea markets, pawnshops or on the Internet, where Web sites offer the decoration, no questions asked, for as little as $35. An accompanying certificate on onion skin parchment and personalized with your name and any rank you choose costs about $25.

Such commerce in the symbols of American courage and sacrifice would be outlawed by a measure spearheaded last July by Rep. John Salazar, D-Colo.

His "Stolen Valor Act" would make it a federal crime to falsely wear the Purple Heart and other top military decorations, or to even list them on a resume if they were not officially earned.

But the proposed bill now sits in the House Judiciary Committee, and its fate remains unclear.
"We're waiting for the committee to act," said Salazar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts?page=2#2

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Any Republican or Democrat politicians who don't get this bill passed is as guilty as the phonies that this bill targets.

The Swift Boat Vets already proved, beyond a doubt,
that hanoi kerry's 1st Purple Heart is fraudulent.

A US Attorney General can get ALL of hanoi kerry's
records and once and for all prove that the
Swift Boat Vets were accurate and true.

All that has to be done is to get this bill passed and signed into law now, before the '06 election.

Since hanoi kerry will be under indictment he'll
have to sit out the '06 election for his illegal seat
in the US Senate.

AND the best part is that it is a Democrat sponsored
bill that will his downfall.

COSPONSORS(60), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)


Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] - 7/27/2005
Rep Baird, Brian [WA-3] - 7/28/2005
Rep Barrow, John [GA-12] - 7/27/2005
Rep Beauprez, Bob [CO-7] - 9/6/2005
Rep Berry, Marion [AR-1] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boren, Dan [OK-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Boyd, Allen [FL-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 9/6/2005
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. [CA-18] - 7/27/2005
Rep Case, Ed [HI-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Chandler, Ben [KY-6] - 7/27/2005
Rep Cooper, Jim [TN-5] - 7/27/2005
Rep Costa, Jim [CA-20] - 7/28/2005
Rep Cramer, Robert E. (Bud), Jr. [AL-5] - 7/27/2005
Rep Cuellar, Henry [TX-28] - 7/27/2005
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 7/26/2005
Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 7/26/2005
Rep Gonzalez, Charles A. [TX-20] - 7/29/2005
Rep Green, Gene [TX-29] - 7/28/2005
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 7/26/2005
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 7/28/2005
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 7/26/2005
Rep Herseth, Stephanie [SD] - 7/27/2005
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 7/28/2005
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] - 7/27/2005
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 7/28/2005
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Kline, John [MN-2] - 7/28/2005
Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 7/28/2005
Rep Marshall, Jim [GA-3] - 11/2/2005
Rep Matheson, Jim [UT-2] - 7/26/2005
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 9/7/2005
Rep McIntyre, Mike [NC-7] - 9/14/2005
Rep Meek, Kendrick B. [FL-17] - 7/26/2005
Rep Melancon, Charlie [LA-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Menendez, Robert [NJ-13] - 10/6/2005
Rep Michaud, Michael H. [ME-2] - 7/27/2005
Rep Moore, Dennis [KS-3] - 7/27/2005
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 10/17/2005
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] - 7/27/2005
Rep Northup, Anne M. [KY-3] - 9/15/2005
Rep Ortiz, Solomon P. [TX-27] - 7/28/2005
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] - 7/27/2005
Rep Pomeroy, Earl [ND] - 7/27/2005
Rep Reyes, Silvestre [TX-16] - 7/27/2005
Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] - 9/7/2005
Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 7/26/2005
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 7/27/2005
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 7/29/2005
Rep Strickland, Ted [OH-6] - 9/27/2005
Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 9/6/2005
Rep Tanner, John S. [TN-8] - 7/27/2005
Rep Taylor, Gene [MS-4] - 7/27/2005
Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-1] - 7/27/2005
Rep Udall, Mark [CO-2] - 7/22/2005
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] - 7/28/2005
Rep Whitfield, Ed [KY-1] - 9/20/2005

There is no valid reason why this bill can't pass both Houses of Congress and be signed by President Bush
BEFORE the '06 elections.

[Calpernia]

bttt!!!!!