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Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz

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1 posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:54 AM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

Is this a wise place to go?


2 posted on 01/13/2006 11:55:26 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: paltz

I think this approach will backfire. Best to deal with Murtha in the present, not the past.


3 posted on 01/13/2006 11:55:46 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: GSWarrior
No it is not. If you want to call him on something call him on his record in Congress or what he says today. If any question is to be made on his war record it should be by DOD/USMC.

Hopefully Republicans will not get behind this because it will lead only to disaster.
4 posted on 01/13/2006 11:58:25 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: paltz

Not a smart move.


5 posted on 01/13/2006 11:58:55 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: paltz
I don't think this is a good idea. Hitler served with honor in WWI, but that doesn't mean something didn't jar itself loose upstairs, if you know what I mean. Just because Murtha served with honor in Vietnam doesn't make him the savior of our nation.
6 posted on 01/13/2006 11:59:13 AM PST by oldleft
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To: paltz
I don't think this line of argument is a good idea at all.

There are plenty of reasons to honor Murtha's service record AND to criticize his inconsistent and pro-defeat statement in the global war on terrorism.

7 posted on 01/13/2006 11:59:37 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: paltz

Why do this? He's showing his true character now, just leave his mil service alone.


8 posted on 01/13/2006 11:59:46 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Lean on me, when you're not strong, and I'll be your friend, I'll help you carry on.)
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To: GSWarrior

Murtha should get John F'n Kerry to vouch for him.


9 posted on 01/13/2006 11:59:53 AM PST by 43north (Liberals are obsessed by the vulgarity of their lives & the obscenity of their behavior.)
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To: dirtboy

All's fair in 'love and war'. I hear ya on going down this path.

I'll take the guy with a Silver Star and 3 Bronze over 2 Purple Hearts anyday.

Sign the DD180, Mr. Murtha.


10 posted on 01/13/2006 12:00:08 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

Only if it can be proved he never served.

11 posted on 01/13/2006 12:00:09 PM PST by bkepley
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To: paltz

bump.


12 posted on 01/13/2006 12:00:38 PM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: paltz

ROFLMAO...him and Kerry should get together and swap war stories. By the time they are done...they would have been both killed and raised from the dead.


13 posted on 01/13/2006 12:00:50 PM PST by MadeInAmerica
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To: Phantom Lord

This looks like something Democrats would do. Not good.

Should contest with Murtha in current times, not decades ago.


14 posted on 01/13/2006 12:01:57 PM PST by RexBeach
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To: paltz
The military decides what is and isn't worthy of a purple heart. Once that decision is made, I don't think it's up to the public to second guess. This is not a good idea.
15 posted on 01/13/2006 12:02:16 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: paltz

Should not go there.


16 posted on 01/13/2006 12:03:20 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: dirtboy

I agree...too close to the Kerry background
stories.


17 posted on 01/13/2006 12:03:54 PM PST by Grendel9 (u)
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To: oldleft

Agreed. His congressional record provides enough to call him on.


18 posted on 01/13/2006 12:04:13 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: paltz

I say we go after his high-school records.


19 posted on 01/13/2006 12:05:16 PM PST by Lazamataz (I have a Chinese family renting an apartment from me. They are lo mein tenants.)
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To: GSWarrior

If he's a fraud, he needs to be exposed.


20 posted on 01/13/2006 12:06:13 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: paltz

That would be something if it could be proven that Murtha is as phony as Kerry concerning this subject.


21 posted on 01/13/2006 12:06:54 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: paltz

Kerryitis wounds.


22 posted on 01/13/2006 12:07:01 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: paltz

Are ol' Jack's PH's some more of those Band-Aid PH's??? LOL


23 posted on 01/13/2006 12:07:39 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz

He's proven he's a nutcase now while in office we got enough to go on - we don't need to go after his military service that will only backfire on us.


24 posted on 01/13/2006 12:08:05 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Murtha was shot in the Butt on one of his CUT AND RUN mlsson.Like Skerry.


25 posted on 01/13/2006 12:08:30 PM PST by jocko12
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To: paltz

How sad when it comes to this.


26 posted on 01/13/2006 12:08:53 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: GSWarrior
NO! Leave it the heck alone. PLEASE.

Do not make truth-tellers out of liars. Drop it refute him on the facts.
27 posted on 01/13/2006 12:08:58 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: paltz
...according to the letter signed by an individual identified only as A. Gardoni. Gardoni's title is not listed on the letter.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Huge red flag here, folks.

Has anyone who's ever been in the military ever seen a piece of official correspondence that didn't list the signer's title? I certainly never did.

28 posted on 01/13/2006 12:09:10 PM PST by Bob
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To: MadeInAmerica

"...him and Kerry should get together and swap war stories. By the time they are done...they would have been both killed and raised from the dead."


"Fake, but accurate -- film at 11:00"
-Dan Rather reporting
-Mary Mapes investigating and writing


29 posted on 01/13/2006 12:09:27 PM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: GSWarrior

"Is this a wise place to go?"

Absolutely!
These "war heroes" put their "combat service" out in front and rode that reputation into Congress for decades.

Any Marine worth his salt would be proud to have the world see their war record. I AM!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


30 posted on 01/13/2006 12:10:04 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz
Those accounts also appear to conflict with the limited military records that are available, and Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records.

Sheesh, is there not one actual hero in the who stupid Dim party?

31 posted on 01/13/2006 12:10:20 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: paltz

What is the experience of people on this board who were awarded Purple Hearts? Did the military inform you that you were getting one or did you have to beg, like Kerry and Murtha?


32 posted on 01/13/2006 12:11:10 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: jocko12

How many Purple Hearts did you receive in Viet Nam?


33 posted on 01/13/2006 12:11:14 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: paltz

As I suspected all along......you bet you were right to go there. Simple for him to prove....just sign a form 180....and let the truth be known. Anyone who refuses to do that can be doing nothing but hiding the truth....and at this point that appears to be the case.....


34 posted on 01/13/2006 12:11:27 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: paltz

I agree with the other posters, stay away from the VietNam stuff. He has to sleep on this knowing one way or the other. Just go after his bananas idea of an immediate pullout and what effect that has on morale as well emboldens the terrorists into thinking we will be pulling out soon if they can simply hold on long enough!


35 posted on 01/13/2006 12:12:42 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

No it isn't. Better to stick with the present debate. I, for one, found Murtha's comment that if he had his career to do all over again today he would NOT enlist in the Marine Corps to be quite shocking.

OTOH, this is very interesting. Stolen Valor showed there are large numbers of Americans who exaggerate or make up Vietnam experiences. Politicians seem not to be immune from that.

36 posted on 01/13/2006 12:15:22 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: paltz

Just another medal hound 'Rat.


37 posted on 01/13/2006 12:16:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

No, the 1st words out of any dems mouth will be that Murtha is being attacked akin to what the Swifties did to Kerry.

Not that what the Swifties did to Kerry was wrong but just that what the dems are going to say.

38 posted on 01/13/2006 12:16:46 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Bob

I agree with those who think that we shouldn't (don't need to) go here.

Murtha's modern-day antics are impeaching his "expertise" quite nicely, thank you.


39 posted on 01/13/2006 12:17:20 PM PST by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: GSWarrior

Exactly.

This guy is doing a good enough job on himself.


40 posted on 01/13/2006 12:17:58 PM PST by Howlin
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What is the experience of people on this board who were awarded Purple Hearts? Did the military inform you that you were getting one or did you have to beg, like Kerry and Murtha?

I don't have one....but the way they are awarded is that there is a write up at the unit of the individual and then signed by medical personnel...and then it is processed. Very strange that years after...one applies for a PH.

41 posted on 01/13/2006 12:18:04 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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good afternoon.
"Bronze Star with Combat 'V'"

Is it an uninformed reporter calling it a Combat V as opposed to a Valor V or is that how Murtha or his handler described it?

Michael Frazier
42 posted on 01/13/2006 12:18:30 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: jocko12

They were holding hands.


43 posted on 01/13/2006 12:20:03 PM PST by conservative barking moonbat
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To: paltz
I don't believe in denigrating anyones war record. However, if that person gets up in front of the public, or news media, and uses his war record to attack the administration then he is open to attack.
44 posted on 01/13/2006 12:20:09 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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I don't think we should go down this line again. It was relatively effective with Kerry because his conduct was so public upon his return from Vietnam.

That being said, the book Unspoken Valor has dealt with the number of people who have medals they did not deserve and it would be interesting to see if Murtha's name was in there, but only interesting from the standpoint of knowing who we're dealing with -- not actually using information against him.


45 posted on 01/13/2006 12:21:07 PM PST by Peach
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SPEAKING OF RELEASING HIS MILITARY RECORDS- DID J EFFIN KERRY RELEASE HIS LIKE HE PROMISED TO ON RUSSERT'S SHOW??


46 posted on 01/13/2006 12:22:30 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help...)
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To: dirtboy
I think this approach will backfire. Best to deal with Murtha in the present, not the past.

Agree completely. It would be a murky examination anyway, and therefore he would get the benefit of the doubt (as he should). And he could say he was being attacked at the direction of Karl Rove and play victim.

As you said, respond to Murtha on the merits of his argument. Or the lack thereof.

47 posted on 01/13/2006 12:22:45 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: onedoug

ping


48 posted on 01/13/2006 12:23:33 PM PST by windcliff
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To: paltz

Murtha's "requesting" PH's is BS!

Anyone who served in combat knows that PH's are awarded at the time of the injury based on whether the person received the injury while in combat. Not, days, weeks, months, years later!!! We covered this in detail with the Traitor Kerry.
This sounds too much like Kerry's BS!

And I take offense to ANYONE "requesting" a Purple Heart! PERIOD
Purple Heart commendations aren't Boy Scout merit badges.
They are not "requested"; they are EARNED and AWARDED at the time of injury.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


49 posted on 01/13/2006 12:25:14 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz

It may not be a wise place to go, publicly, but it is interesting how this tactic of building up a phony military record is used by anti-war liberals like Kerry, and now possibly Murtha, to perpetuate "heroic" lies about themselves.


50 posted on 01/13/2006 12:26:32 PM PST by Wuli
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