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Posted on 01/13/2006 11:23:01 PM PST by xrp

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To: MyDogAllah
.357 sig was an advertising gimmick. Nothing more.

A .357 SIG 125 gr bullet is as effective as a 125 gr. .357 mag. bullet fired from a revolver if that is your cup of tea. If 9mm is what you are used to, you will find the .357 in any format to have pretty sharp recoil. ,45s are big, pushy feeling pistols when they recoil but quite manageable. While I like .45s, .357 get the job done while 9mm is about like a .36 Special and a bit on the wanting side as a fighting round. Properly applied any of them work OL. (practical experience, not gun writer stuff.)

21 posted on 01/14/2006 4:38:00 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: xrp

The 1911 pistol is making a huge comeback with our military who are sick and tired of the Beretta 9mm.

Discussions with holster manufacturers indicate a large number of people are now purchasing holsters to conceal 1911-style pistols.

The old warhorse is still one of the most reliable, powerful pistols ever made.


22 posted on 01/14/2006 4:39:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: MyDogAllah

The S&W M&P semi-auto is only available in .40SW at the present time and is still a bit hard to find. The 9mm will be coming out a later date. The jury is apparently still out as to when it or if it will be available in .45 ACP.

I favor the Sig 226 in 9mm and looking for a Sig 220 in .45ACP. I've shot the Glocks and like them; just like the Sigs a bit more.


23 posted on 01/14/2006 4:48:23 AM PST by osagebowman ("I'm just trying to be a better person, my name is...")
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To: paul51

I am a conceal permitted woman in Texas, my choice of firearm is the P239 SIG 40. I had considered the Glock but didn't like the "light trigger" action of the Glock and feel I have better control of the SIG. I also added the Siglite night sights as well.


24 posted on 01/14/2006 4:56:48 AM PST by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: de Buillion
>.357 (revolver) is one of the most lethal personal defense choices.

Old wives' tale completely unsupported by actual FBI and NJI field data.

.357 is nothing more than a .38 Special with a little more powder. Exactly same bullet. .38 Special bullets are actually 357/1000 of an inch in diameter. In any shory barelled weapon, it is all flash and noise. Very bad at night.

Round suffers from extreme overpentration problems. Bullet that goes in and out again does far less damage, especially instant, incapacitating damage, than does a round that enters body cavity and remains.

357 myths came from advertising campaign when it was introduced, about how it would penetrate an engine block, etc. If it can penetrate an engine block, then it can certainly penetrate a perp, exit and hit the little old lady coming out of church three blocks away.

Regarding the combat effectiveness of the system, friends don't let friends take revolvers to gunfights. The chances of encountering multiple targets and perps needing multiple hits due to body armor, misses, etc. demand quick reload capability. Wheelguns don't cut it.
25 posted on 01/14/2006 4:58:20 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: xrp
Leaving caliber alone for a moment, in my old age I am turning into a revolver man.

In my military days I was very fond of automatics. Particularly those designed by John Moses Browning.

However, even the best automatic jams every now and then.

Revolvers never jam.

26 posted on 01/14/2006 4:59:55 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: xrp

Not to muddy the waters, but if you like your Glock, you may also want to look into the Springfield XD line of pistols. Lots of calibers and barrel lengths to choose from including a new 4" .45 Auto.


27 posted on 01/14/2006 5:01:25 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: AngryJawa

have a SA .45 mimi compact 1911, love it.


28 posted on 01/14/2006 5:05:08 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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29 posted on 01/14/2006 5:17:28 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: LibKill

Myth: Revolvers never jam.

Yes, they do! I carried a S&W Airweight Bodyguard in a pocket holster for a while. I went to the range one day to fire it, took it out of the pocket holster, pulled the trigger.....and nothing happened.

The Bodyguard is the one with the shrouded, but exposed, hammer and I discovered that pocket lint had gotten down inside the shroud and would not let the hammer come all the way back with the DA pull. I was able to cock it and fire in SA, but could not get enough leverage in DA to make the weapon fire.

It had only been a week since I had fired it last (I used to go to the range once a week) and it was a surprisingly small amount of lint that jammed the gun.

Needless to say, I do not own that model of gun anymore.


30 posted on 01/14/2006 5:28:59 AM PST by Bryanw92
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To: MindBender26
In any shorty barelled weapon, it is all flash and noise.

Interesting take on 357.

I had a Rugger SP-101 357 with 2.25 inch barrel, and found that half my HP rounds would not mushroom at 15 paces. Apparently not enough muzzle velocity (I'm not a ballistics expert, just a guess). Anyway I got rid of it.

31 posted on 01/14/2006 6:03:54 AM PST by angkor
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To: xrp

Since you already have a Glock in 9mm, why not try something different? I recommend a Sig P229 in .40 S&W. Alloy frame, stainless slide, night sites if you'd like. Beautiful gun, very well made and accurate. The felt recoil is not bad at all. I'm not familiar with the new polymer- frame Sigs. I also have a G19 & G23. I like 'em, and admire their simplicty and ruggedness, but the Sig is a more refined weapon.


32 posted on 01/14/2006 6:18:29 AM PST by jrp
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To: MyDogAllah
BTW, you do have long guns, right?

Yes, a DPMS AR-15 clone. (The RFA2-PCAR16)

33 posted on 01/14/2006 6:24:09 AM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
I am going to get flamed for this, but here goes.

I am 5'6", 175lbs and find it incredibly hard to conceal my Smith 59 or 4" .45. The damn things bulge out of my suit like a tumor. I like caring my 45 with winter outer wear, but in the summer it is hard to conceal.

I picked up a Sig230 and love it! Very concealable, 7+1 in the can, accurate; hand held 6" inch groups at 50ft. Kinetic energy on the light side. No safety's just pull the trigger.

Looked at a Kel-Tec 9MM, did not like the trigger pull and seemed hard to control "for me"

The compact Glocks also seem tough to conceal because of how thick the are.
34 posted on 01/14/2006 6:36:25 AM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: LibKill
"Revolvers never jam."

Not true. They SELDOM jam. I had a burst primer lock up a S&W mod 66. Admittedly rare, but it does happen.

35 posted on 01/14/2006 6:37:27 AM PST by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Any houses for sale in your ultra safe neighborhood :-)


36 posted on 01/14/2006 6:39:26 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: OldEagle
Not true. They SELDOM jam...Admittedly rare, but it does happen.

Reminds me of my early days as a young MP.

Standard issue .45, day in and day out, 8 hour per day gun.

I was jealous and in awe of those that carried the S&W .38 Snub, for concealment purposes.

I became a Provost Marshal Investigator (forerunner of MPI) and was issued a .38.

Sitting on top of the world.

Until I went to the range to qualify.

Couldn't hit squat.

Pistol jammed every other round, to the point of my having to actually break it open and physically rotate the cylinder to the next round.

Took it to the armorer and he says: "Oh that used to be ______'s weapon. All he ever did was sit around and cock and decock it all the time and twirl it like a gunslinger."

Believe it or not, this damn fool had managed to wear the pistol so bad that the lever mechanism that rotated the cylinder was worn out.

And the barrel was bent. (I assume from dropping it several times during his Wyatt Earp imitations.)

I requested and was granted, permission from the PM to carry my old 8 hour pistol, my old .45, in a shoulder holster, even though there were many other .38's available, hopefully in better condition than my first.

I never carried anything else, for the next 18 years. And during that time, had to draw and fire on three separate occasions, with no misfires, jams or malfunctions whatsoever, even after having not cleaned my weapon for months or having dropped it in a mud hole or had it fly thru the air from the roof of a patrol car onto concrete paving and slide 200-300 feet down the road.

But those are stories for another time.

Been retired 15 years now, but my CC gun is a .45, presented to me by my son.

Heavy, hard to conceal, but I know, I know it will not fail me, even after months of being cocked and locked, with a compressed magazine.

When and if the need presents, I will pull that trigger with all the confidence of over 30 years association with Mr. Browning's wonderful and timeless invention.

37 posted on 01/14/2006 7:13:48 AM PST by OldSmaj (Hey Islam...I flushed a koran today and I let my dog pp on it first. Come get me, moon bats!)
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To: OldSmaj

I agree with your kind words on the 1911. I carry one most of the time and I too became fond of it early in my military career.


38 posted on 01/14/2006 7:21:15 AM PST by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: angkor

If God had meant us to use revolvers, he would mave made the world spin on a horizontal axis running through New Haven, CT, not around the poles.

:~)


39 posted on 01/14/2006 8:33:14 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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