Next pistol? SigPro?

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Next firearm?

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I currently have a Glock 17 9x19 pistol and was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Sig Pro 2009 or 2340.

Also, I've only shot 9mm and .357 (.357 out of a S&W revolver). I'd also like to hear pros/cons on 9mm vs .40 S&W vs .357SIG rounds.

Thanks for anyone's help!

[Lauretij2]

I have a Sig Pro 2340 with a .357 Sig barrel in it. I have both barrels, but prefer the 357.

The only real downsides are that they 12 round mags are a little harder to come by than say Glocks. You can get them, but most (if not all) will have the AWB 'leo only' stamps on them.

Also, the plastic finishing is easy to mark up. I tried cleaning it with Q-tips once, and it basically wiped away some of the stipled finish on the frame.

Other than that, I love it. Never had a misfire at all, very accurate.

[de Buillion]

Speaking only of various calibers, .357 is one of the most lethal personal defense choices. It has to be in a revolver. 9MM is good for practice. .40 S&W and .357 Sig are excellent choices for self defense. I believe that "felt" recoil is about the same, and OK for ladies. The TX DPS uses .357 Sig. They were using .45ACP, and declared that .357Sig was more effective. I personally would not count on a 9MM to save my life. Hope this helps.

[quidnunc]

The FBI tested the 9mm, .40 and .45 rounds for stopping power.

They concluded that a hit in the torso from a .40 supersonic rounbd had a 100% probability of incapaciting a man, while for the .40 subsonic and .45 rounds it was 90% .

I don't remember precisely what the number was for the 9mm, but I think it was slightly less than 80%.

[de Buillion]

"Speaking only of various calibers, .357 is one of the most lethal personal defense choices. It has to be in a revolver"

In this statement, I am referring to .357 Magnum, not .357 Sig.

[Lurker]

I'd like to see a link to that 'study'. No pistol round in history has a 100% probability of 'incapacitating' anyone.

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[de Buillion]

"They concluded that a hit in the torso from a .40 supersonic rounbd had a 100% probability of incapaciting a man, while for the .40 subsonic and .45 rounds it was 90% . "

I am not familiar with this info, and have NEVER heard of any handgun combination scoring 100% in any caliber. Can you provide any source info?

[paul51]

Before you purchase, check the Sig classics. If you like the size of the 17, maybe the P229. You can get it in .40 or .357 Sig and switch out the barrels and shoot either with the pistol. If you like a larger model, see the P226 in .357 Sig / .40 (barrel can be switched on this one also or the P220 (.45). I'm not very familiar with the Pro line because I'm partial to metal frames but you won't go wrong with any Sig. I'm also no big fan of the 9mm but again, just personal preference. I take one when I travel because I figure no matter what, I will always be able to find plenty of ammo if necessary. I have 9mm, .357 Sig. .40 and .45. Out of all, I prefer shooting the .357Sig

[7thOF7th]

I'm a big fan of the Colt 1911 with 230 grain rounds. In close quarters, it packs the punch required. Anything outside 30 meters I'm going to a long rifle.

[Myrddin]

Glock 23 is a fine .40 S&W. You can swap a .357 Sig barrel into the slide and use the same magazine. A two for one deal. I acquired a Glock 23C with a replacement Jarvis barrel after the first owner tried to remove a squib with an electric drill. The Jarvis barrel fully supports the case head so you can reload the brass. Normally you don't reload brass fired from a Glock factory barrel as the extra relief of the feed ramp permits the case head to balloon slightly.

[BigCinBigD]

LOL
Since the week of Christmas I have bought a Smith and Wesson 9mm Sigma. A Kel-Tec .380 and a Glock model 30 .45 ACP for concealed carry.

Since then I traded the Kel-Tec to a friend for a 20 year Smith and Wesson model 586. A beautiful old revolver.
AND there's a gun show tomorrow! Two miles from my house.
:)

[IYellAtMyTV]

Recently had the same dilemma, and ended up with a Glock 22 (.40 S&W).

Probably the biggest consideration would be what your planned use is. I was looking for a good CQC weapon ie: home defense - distances to 12 yds. I have several 9's and a 1911 A1. My reason for the .40 was, it had similar ballistics to the .45, but (especially with the Glock's low barrel position) was much softer shooting, meaning quicker back on target and the wife is MUCH happier putting in time at the range!

I like the .40/.45 not only for the stopping power, but with relatively slow (850-900 fps) rounds I worry less about 'over penetration'.

I've seen 9's (1000 to 1200 fps) blow right through 'targets', walls behind them, and through the neighbors wall. Also, it may take considerably more shots to accomplish a put-down, and this is with frangible rounds.

As for the .357SIG (1300 + fps), I really like them for outdoors (urban combat) situations. Powerful and flat shooting, it would be my choice for 50+ yds. or targets through car doors, etc. The down side is pretty sharp recoil, and the above mentioned over-penetration when in a home defense situation.

Also, Lauretij2 mentioned problems with the finish on the SIG Pro, I know of two people at my club with the same problem. Doesn't seem to affect the performance of the weapon, but looks crappy.

Hope this is some help, but then you know the one about a**holes and opinions... ;-)

[Lauretij2]

I also have 4 Glocks. I'd say the Glock 23 or 32 are great alternatives to the Sig Pros..

[MyDogAllah]

In a 9mm, there are very few weapons better than your Glock 17. High capacity, extremely reliable, and a proven design. With proper ammo, performance comes close to .45acp.

If you absolutely, positively must have the newest and perhaps best 9mm out there, check out the brand spanking new Smith & Wesson MP or M&P. This pistol might possibly be the start of a new generation in plastic nines. I won't spend my money on it, or any other 9mm, but if you're on the lane next to me at the range, I might just be really nice to you and ask if I can put a mag-full downrange.

.357 sig was an advertising gimmick. Nothing more. See Fackler or Roberts.

I found the recoil on .40 cals to be very sharp, no matter the platform, but you should be aware that this sensation of sharpness is very subjective and not felt by everyone.

In ballistic gelatin tests, 230 grain .45acp is still the way to go. Which gun? Depends on your budget and if you prefer single action, double action, or double action only. I prefer H&Ks, but many Americans have a very powerful fetish for Saint John Moses Browning's model 1911.

My advice? If your Glock 17 is reliable, keep it, make sure you load it with excellent quality ammo, then forget buying another pistol. Instead, use the money you saved for training. Then save up more money for more training. Then have your wife get a 2nd job, so you can afford more training. Win the lottery, so you can train every day!

Remember, there is a triad when it comes to personal defense. This consists of weapon, mindset, and training. You need all three to win a gunfight. Do NOT be deficient in any.

BTW, you do have long guns, right? A shotgun or rifle is far superior to any pistol.

[IYellAtMyTV]

'I also have 4 Glocks. I'd say the Glock 23 or 32 are great alternatives to the Sig Pros.. '

I normally carry the 1911, although fairly large, it is also fairly 'flat' and easy to conceal (I'm 6'4").

Having said that, and considering that we now have a .40, I'm thinking maybe I need the smaller framed 23 for daily carry... *uh, yes Dear, I think we really need another...* LOL!

[Armedanddangerous]

+1 on the idea of sticking with your Glock 17. The advantage offered by the 357 Sig is too minimal to make it worth your time to change over to a new caliber.

If you are stuck on Sig, and aren't wedded to the idea of a double stack magazine, I'd take a look at the newest Sig 220 variant in 45 auto. That is the one I really want.

Right now, on my nightstand lies a Glock 17 3rd generation variant with a Surefire tactical light installed, and 19 round +2 9mm magazine installed.

I shoot the Ranger 127 grain +P+ in said handgun. It's very very close to the 357 in power, and I have 19 rounds in the magazine.

On the street, I carry the Glock 26 subcompact with the same loads.

As I said, the only Sig that really turns me on is the 220, and I'm waiting on the new Commander sized version to come out that I read about yesterday.

[bad company]

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs9.htm

http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/firearms/fbi-pistol.php

http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10fbi.htm

Start here for ammunition comparisons. I Have the glock 17. A few years back a gun magazine took a glock 17 up over 200,000 rounds in a torture test. Far beyond the life of other firearms. From the links you will see that the 9mm is an effective round, you just need to be more selective with the type of bullet to use for effective defensive use.

[endthematrix]

"Normally you don't reload brass fired from a Glock factory barrel "

That's news to me! I've collected all my brass wanting to reload it someday. What to do?

[angkor]

Since then I traded the Kel-Tec to a friend

You didn't like the Kel-Tec? Any reason? I've been thinking of getting one.

[BigCinBigD]

I traded it for Blued a Six inch barreled Smith And Wesson revolver. The Kel-tec is a fine pocket gun. But I could not pass on a opportunity like that.