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[MindBender26]

>Any of the above damage is possible with a bullet that also exits the body. All things being equal, two holes will drop blood pressure faster and incapacitate the bad guy faster than one hole. If it takes out the brain, spine, heart or lungs on it's way through, that's even better.

A common, and dangerous, misconception.

The loss of blood pressure resulting in death is neither fast enough by itself to prevent the perp getting off a second shot, nor is it influenced to any great degree by the number of holes in the body.

Thank for a moment. A perp who loses a limb is experiencing blood loss at a far greater rate than will ever occur from two holes in the body. But wounded men in full bleed out from missing limbs can easily continue to fight for 20 to 30 seconds.

In addition, if you are depending on bleed out to (eventually) kill your opponent, don't worry if the blood leaves the body. Many abdominal wounds are fatal but result in little or no blood outside the body. The bullet enters the abdomen, mushrooms, converts all its kinetic energy to damage to the internal organs and then remains inside the body.

There is massive bleeding into the abdominal cavity from the damage. All the vessels supplying the stomach, intestines, liver, kidneys, etc are ruptured (notice ruptured, not cut) sometimes even the heart itself is ruptured, by the massive physical disruption and dislocation caused by the trauma of the bullet.

Someone shot in this way suffers an immediate and fatal loss of blood pressure, as well as a trauma to the nervous system much like the effects a huge electric shock.

It's the shock trauma that incapacitates them and prevents a second shot, while the massive INTERNAL bleed kills them by depriving blood to the brain, lungs and heart in a few moments.

But with all this, it's common to find very little blood outside the body, especially of they land "wound up."

Assuming the same number of bullets involved, it's the internal damage, not the number of holes in the body that do the damage. Any exit wound is a sign of wasted energy that could have been used to cause more internal trauma.

[MindBender26]

The magic word is "incapaciting." See #73 for how they describe "incapaciting." It does not have to be instant, or even eventual death. It only deals with the perps ability to return fire AND escape.

[Simo Hayha]

I notice in the last Midway flyer that Starline has some nickel-plated available for the 454. Other than the price difference, do you know if there any other differences make it a viable choice over the standard brass? Could it be reloaded more often, maybe? I've had good luck with Winchester brass in .45 and 9mm and according to the flyer, I can get 200 Winchester for a better price than the 100 Starline. On the 50, the longest official range around here is 400 yards. There are a lot of unofficial ranges, but finding a 1000-yard range is difficult and takes some scouting. I'm not there yet, but hope to be one day, before my legs give out or my 4-wheeler stops working.

[quidnunc]

killjoy wrote: (They concluded that a hit in the torso from a .40 supersonic rounbd had a 100% probability of incapaciting a man,) Impossible. There are two ways to incapacite a person. One is a hit to the central nervous system, i.e. spinal cord/brain. The second is through suffocation, i.e. blood loss. As for the first, any well placed shot from any firearm will do. This is the ONLY way to 'drop' a person. As for the second, no matter what someone is hit with, it will take time for them to bleed out. Yes, some rounds work better than others, but nothing is going to create a 100% chance of incapacitation.

Call your nearest FBI field office and tell then they're full of beans.

[Myrddin]

I notice in the last Midway flyer that Starline has some nickel-plated available for the 454.

Unless you are making ammo for "show", avoid the nickel plated stuff. I've observed that the case mouth on nickel plated .357 mag brass tends to work harden and split much sooner than the simple brass shell.

I recommend the simple brass Starline .454 as the formulation is harder and less likely to "fire form" to the inside of the cylinder. Starline brass drops free every time.

My outdoor range (2 miles away) is good to 500 yards. The firing line is covered with good benches and a few outfitted with concrete "tables" for the die hard benchrest shooters. There are steel support shelves every 25 yards to support the silhouette critters. I think the last shelf is at 400 yards. It is great shooting in the Fall. Trying to set up in the Spring is a slippery dance though lots of gooey mud. There is a small road to drive a 4 wheeler out to the far end of the range. We do have a responsibility to watch for livestock too. The occasional cow wanders out there and must be shooed away.

[mr_hammer]

My paws are not that big so that does not seem to be a problem for me, the little bugger does kick more than my Model 59 with P+. Physics I guess, who'd a thunk it?

[CodeToad]

40 S&W is a popular round so you will find many manufacturers and bullet types available.

It is a great round as far as destruction of the target.

If you reload, the 40 S&W is a real easy round to load because of its straight wall construction and the loads are easy on the brass.

Recoil on a 40 is a bit rough compared to a 45 or 9mm, but it is still very controllable. I like the velocities of the 40 that are around 1100-1200fps. They shoot straight while packing a good punch from a 155gr bullet.

A Sig is a good firearm, so you really can't go wrong.

[CFC__VRWC]

Thanks very much for taking the time to give me this advice. I'm going to bookmark this thread and refer back to it while getting myself set up reloading. I've got some research to do in the meantime.

Thanks again.

[de Buillion]

"YUP...keyword...woman, LOL, I actually read the instructions! LOL!!! (wink) "

Since I myself do not own one, I did not know that the instructions told you that. At one time I wanted one of those, because of the interchangeable barrel option, but I chose something else instead. I applaud your choice.

[Myrddin]

FYI, some places to look for equipment and deals:
http://www.leeprecision.com
http://www.dillonprecision.com
http://www.midwayusa.com
http://www.rcbs.com
http://www.hornady.com
http://www.hodgdon.com
http://huntingsociety.org/reloaders.html

Just a few key URLs to populate your reloading favorites list. The Hodgdon folks make powder and have online loading guides for various calibers that specify all the details. Happy and SAFE reloading.

[christabel]

Is there a good .22 pistol for less than a hundred dollars?

[yarddog]

Is there a good .22 pistol for less than a hundred dollars?

That is a pretty good challenge. It would probably require you to go used, and then one of the lower cost but still decent revolvers such as the H&R or High Standard Sentinel, Iver Johnson Viking etc.

With one of these guns you will get pretty good accuracy with good but not excellent fit and finish. Trigger pull will usually be fairly poor on double action (if it has that feature) but OK on single action.

There were some decent cheap .22's made by Jennings, Davis, etc. I had a Jennings and was really surprised at it's accuracy. It was also reliable. On the down side, it was constructed mostly of pot metal, and had poor sights and trigger.

You just might find a Ruger single six in fairly rough shape, but still functionally perfect.

I bought a Hungarian copy of the Walther PPK (FEG) and actually like it better than my real Walther. It is just as accurate and more reliable. It cost just a little over $100 tho, but not much more. I think it was something like $129, but many dealers try to get over $200 for them.

[christabel]

Thanks, I wrote all those names down.