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Intelligent Design Proponents Distance Themselves from Creationists [El Tejon litigation]
American Chronicle ^ | 12 January 2006 | Wayne Adkins

Posted on 01/14/2006 5:03:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry

The Discovery Institute, an organization which bills itself as “the leading organization supporting scientific research into intelligent design” is seeking to distance itself from creationists. Casey Luskin, an attorney with the Discovery Institute wrote a letter to John W. Wight, Superintendent of the El Tejon school district in California seeking to change the title or content of a class. The district is facing a lawsuit filed by parents over a course titled “Philosophy of Design” taught by Sharon Lemburg, the wife of a local minister.

According to Luskin’s letter “the course inaccurately mixes intelligent design with young earth creationism or Biblical creationism. Moreover, it appears that more than half of the course content deals with young earth creationist materials.” Luskin urged the school’s superintendent to “either reformulate the course by removing the young earth creationist materials or retitle the course as a course not focused on intelligent design.”

The concern of Luskin and his fellows at the Discovery Institute is that intelligent design will be equated with creationism. He tries to explain the difference to Mr. Wight this way; “Intelligent design is different from creationism because intelligent design is based upon empirical data, rather than religious scripture, and also because intelligent design is not a theory about the age of the earth. Moreover, unlike creationism, intelligent design does not try to inject itself into religious discussions about the identity of the intelligence responsible for life. Creationism, in contrast, always postulates a supernatural or divine creator. Thus the U.S. Supreme Court found that creationism was religion in 1987 in the case Edwards v. Aguillard.” [opinion here.]

The reason the ID crowd wants to avoid this association is that teaching creationism is illegal as Luskin notes. After a scathing rebuke by Judge Jones in Dover last year [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.] for trying to sneak intelligent design into science classes there, intelligent design advocates want to take every opportunity to paint their idea as science and not as creationism. But it should be noted that among the senior fellows and fellows for whom there are biographies on their site, they boast more theology degrees than chemistry, biophysics, molecular biology, biochemistry or physics. The only degree more widely represented than theology among them is philosophy. But they don’t want the courts to think they are advancing any religious ideas.

Of course, most observers make that connection anyway. When Pat Robertson told Dover residents not to call on God because they had voted God out of their town he was making a direct connection between intelligent design and creationism. When one of Dover’s school board members advocating intelligent design said “2000 years ago someone died on a cross. Can’t someone take a stand for him?” he was making a direct connection between intelligent design and creationism. Although the Discovery Institutes official line for intelligent design is “science can’t identify this intelligent designer” senior fellow Michael Behe admits he thinks it is God.

The fact is, intelligent design is a thinly veiled attempt to legitimize creationism and import it into public schools as science. What I find hilarious about the Discovery Institute’s letter to Mr. Wight is that Casey Luskin makes the assertion that “Under the current formulation, the course title “Philosophy of design” misrepresents intelligent design by promoting young earth creationism under the guise of intelligent design.” That is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Intelligent design proponents are trying to misrepresent science by promoting intelligent design under the guise of science.

Intelligent design is creationism. Refusing to name the creator doesn’t change that. It only demonstrates how disingenuous its advocates are.


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Links added by me. You gotta feel sorry for the Discovery Institute. They opened this Pandora's box, and now they're stuck with the consequences.

Prior thread on this topic: California High School Sued for Teaching 'Intelligent Design'.

1 posted on 01/14/2006 5:03:42 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 01/14/2006 5:05:07 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Too little, too late. Nobody believes it. Without creationist money, ID would have been broke long ago. Now, leave me alone. The NFL playoffs are on.
3 posted on 01/14/2006 5:07:48 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
It was obvious that the California class was YEC, not just ID. That of course doesn't mean that ID isn't creationism. It will be fun to see the ID'ers and the YEC's duke it out.
4 posted on 01/14/2006 5:10:52 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry
I wonder how Howie Ahmanson is doing these days.
5 posted on 01/14/2006 5:11:53 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
The NFL playoffs are on.

Yay! Hawks!

6 posted on 01/14/2006 5:20:27 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important to me: the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in what I'm doing)
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To: PatrickHenry
I love a good game of let's-you-and-him-fight.
7 posted on 01/14/2006 5:23:53 PM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
I heavily distance myself from others. This is conceit, in one view.

However, this arrangement helps to lower the annoyance of hearing stupid conversations like, "I just downloaded 'Hey Ya' to my iPod. Want to hear it? -- OH YES PLEASE I WOULD!"

Such is the gap between schools of our genesis.

8 posted on 01/14/2006 5:33:16 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: PatrickHenry

ID - a perversion of religion and a perversion of science. Satan is likely envious that it wasn't his idea - or was it?


9 posted on 01/14/2006 5:44:57 PM PST by M203M4
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To: SteveMcKing

So ID is the new hip generation without substance while creationists are the more well-mannered establishment???


10 posted on 01/14/2006 5:51:36 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important to me: the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in what I'm doing)
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To: PatrickHenry
And yet a supposedly classic work of ID (and I'd bet advertised as such by the Discovery Institute) like Phillip E. Johnson's Darwin On Trial is filled from cover to cover with typical "Creation Science" arguments. The whole section on the fossil record, for instance, literally makes no sense apart from a young-earth/flood-geology perspective. Johnson's claim to be an old-earther or agnostic on the subject (I forget which stance he takes) is merely a point of incoherence; or evidence that, like many a lawyer, he adopts arguments opportunistically without understanding their full implications.

Besides, nothing in standard "scientific" (or "Biblical") creationism actually contradicts anything in "Intelligent Design". Officious ID'ers may claim that the two are not wholly identical, but they can't sensibly deny that one is a subset of the other. It would be like the AMA trying to claim that surgeons are doctors but internists aren't.

11 posted on 01/14/2006 5:56:23 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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It would be like the AMA trying to claim that surgeons are doctors but internists aren't.

The entire edifice of ID is a transparent fraud, designed by charlatans to slip creationism past the courts, because the judges -- so the ID gurus imagine -- are too dumb to notice that ID is pure creationism. But at the same time, out in the trailer parks, the creationism crowd is supposed to be wildly cheering for ID because they get it, while the federal judges somehow can't figure it out.

Brilliant strategy. But it seems to be falling apart. Judges aren't the idiots that the Discovery Institute thinks they are, and the ID enthusiasts in the trailer parks just can't let go of their young-earth-creationism. How embarrassing. Eventually, the "Discovery" Institute will actually discover something -- that they're not quite as smart as they thought.

12 posted on 01/14/2006 6:11:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm a young earth creationist. I don't think the planet is a day over 3 billion years old.


13 posted on 01/14/2006 6:17:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: SteveMcKing

I don't understand your comment.


14 posted on 01/14/2006 6:18:41 PM PST by willyd (No nation has ever taxed its citizens into prosperity)
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To: SteveMcKing
So ID is the new hip generation without substance while creationists are the more well-mannered establishment???

...But they're still playing the same song! LOL!

15 posted on 01/14/2006 6:20:37 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important but the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing)
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To: Larry Lucido

And da devole made ya do it! LOL!


16 posted on 01/14/2006 6:25:17 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important but the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing)
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To: Stultis
The whole section on the fossil record, for instance, literally makes no sense apart from a young-earth/flood-geology perspective
I think that he is officially agnostic on the whole young earth/old earth thing, but I seriously doubt that he personally believes the earth is only 6,000 years old. A great many scientists are skeptical of or troubled by the over-reaching claims made by the evolution-only folks, but few endorse the young earth idea.

17 posted on 01/14/2006 6:47:07 PM PST by DallasMike (Call me Dallasaurus)
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To: PatrickHenry
the course inaccurately mixes intelligent design with young earth creationism or Biblical creationism.

Wouldn't that be a little like mixing butter with grits? So, is this an evangelical rift or just biting the hand that feeds you?

18 posted on 01/14/2006 6:51:37 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Physicist
FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

REG: What?

LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.

REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!

LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.

REG: People's Front! C-huh.

FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?

REG: He's over there.

P.F.J.: Splitter!

19 posted on 01/14/2006 6:53:44 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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To: DallasMike
Just dug out my copy of Darwin on Trial to refresh my recollection. I was incorrect in claiming that the whole section on the fossil record presupposes a young-earth/flood-geology P.O.V. Some arguments do, while others imply a progressive creationism view. IOW it's completely incoherent.
20 posted on 01/14/2006 6:59:10 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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