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Mass. exodus
The Boston Globe ^ | January 15, 2006 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 01/15/2006 10:56:28 AM PST by george76

Edited on 01/15/2006 11:16:36 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

FOR THE second year in a row...the population of Massachusetts has shrunk.

It was one of only three states to end the year with fewer people than it had at the start -- New York and Rhode Island were the others -- and the only one to do so for the second year running.


(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: tflabo
Tf,

Yes it is pretty. The Berkshires were to my west, but we had Northampton-Amherst to the North which is "Moscow on the Connecticut".

I am not sure seceding would work, unless they let it merge with parts of New York State which are also "Red".

61 posted on 01/15/2006 11:45:09 AM PST by taildragger (They call themselves Liberal Democrats, I call them Collaborators.)
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To: oceanview

The illegal population is growing more than the American population is leaving Mass.

The US Census Bureau numbers are refering to America citizens and tax payers.

"On Beacon Hill last week, the big issue for Massachusetts lawmakers was whether tuition should be reduced for illegal aliens at the state's public colleges..."


62 posted on 01/15/2006 11:45:31 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gondramB
Check this out:

In the latest incident of brazen junkies invading the area around Boston Common

My, what an egalitarian, charming place Boston must be! And this report is only about the latest incident of brazen junkies around Boston Common. Ah, the people's paradise!

63 posted on 01/15/2006 11:46:19 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Jackson57

I hope the people moving are like you. Here in Arizona, the rich Californians are moving here to build their mansions in the forests and vote liberal. Between them and the illegals, we now have a governor of dubious sexuality and radical politics who the media calls a "moderate." We also have McCain.

Californians never learn. They Bolshevized their state and now look for other victims.


64 posted on 01/15/2006 11:46:25 AM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion that runs this country.)
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To: george76

Shrinking like the number of people who can stomach the democratic party. Socialist societies only work for those who are "more equal". Its time for Americans to openly reject their lies.


65 posted on 01/15/2006 11:46:57 AM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: Luke21

Been to San Francisco lately? Homeless beggars on every block almost....liberal Nirvana for ya.


66 posted on 01/15/2006 11:49:13 AM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Steamburg

Bush does better and we do better when we stand up against the DUmmies.


67 posted on 01/15/2006 11:50:03 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ark_girl

I grew up in Arkansas and that's part of the reason I'm moving out of Mass. Not only is it cheaper pretty much anywhere else, but the closer you get to the city (Boston) the ruder people are. I'm on the New Hampshire border, in a small town, and it's not too different in attitude than where I grew up. The small towns outside of Boston (and Cambridge and Brookline etc) try to vote some sense into the rest of the state, but the liberal population centers out vote us. In the town I live in, there were way more Bush/Cheney signs than Kerry/Edwards in the last election. However, there are some folks in this thread who feel we don't have to right to move outside of the state ...


68 posted on 01/15/2006 11:50:50 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: Jackson57
No one said a thing about not allowing people to move to another state.

Red areas of NJ are now being invaded by blue people from uninhabitable parts of NY.

They bring their liberal mindset with them and the end result is demonrats being elected and RAISING our taxes to meet the demands of the former NYers.

New Hampshire is full of people who fled MA and brought their 'demands' with them.

Generalizations are just that.....there are always exceptions.

69 posted on 01/15/2006 11:51:00 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: tflabo

That homeless beggar like makes $50 per hour for his drugs and booze.


70 posted on 01/15/2006 11:52:05 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: phoenix0468
1. Smart conservative citizens are sick of the taxes, and corrupt liberal governments.

2. Drunk liberal idiots and leftist homosexuals don't do a good job of procreating.

And there's always the abortion factor. Libs get abortions for their own convenience, eliminating children they might indoctrinate into liberalism. When the children of persons who do not abort babies escape the leftist public school systems, liberalism begins to die (please see Europe).

71 posted on 01/15/2006 11:52:36 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Luke21

I truly believe that most of the people who ARE leaving the state (and my wife and I know several) are conservative. The politics of the state are a major part of the reason we (and they) are leaving. At least our state legislature recently had some restraint and voted down giving illegal immigrants in-state college tuition at the state colleges.


72 posted on 01/15/2006 11:54:24 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: OldFriend

that is true, a relative of mine recently moved from NY to Virginia. trust me virginia freepers - you don't want my relative there.


73 posted on 01/15/2006 11:56:52 AM PST by oceanview
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To: george76

They letting teddy drive again?


74 posted on 01/15/2006 11:58:32 AM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the god-forsaken frozen tundra of the Hildebeast.)
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To: Jackson57

"Refugees? Wow, aren't you full of yourself?"

Sorry to offend. Not intended. (I am a California native, and resident. As such I have to have a fairly thick skin).

Words like "refugee" or "migrant" are pretty mainstream, when talking about interstate relocation.



75 posted on 01/15/2006 12:02:04 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Jackson57

I think the people who are leaving the state are young families with children, people who can't afford homes in this state, and that is a conservative constituency.

It's been pointed out time and again that Massachusetts transplants to New Hampshire are more reliably Republican than native New Hampshirites, many of whom have shifted their voting habits, but it seems like N.H. people still look to us to blame for their state's turning a little more purple.


76 posted on 01/15/2006 12:02:57 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: george76
Taxes are a likely reason behind the movement. All three states take the "general welfare" clause of the Constitution as just cause to steal and redistribute as they see fit.

While the politics of Massachusetts stink, keep in mine the governorship has been in Republican hands the majority of the last century, including the current occupant.

I'd be upset if people were leaving Massachusetts due to the same sex marriage issue before it is given to the voters to decide. That would be a surrender. They'll need every vote the state can muster to strike down the same sex marriage law.

Rhode Island raised the "general welfare" clause to include the taking of private property to enrich wealthier individuals, which was upheld in the US Supreme Court this last year.

New York has always led the way in developing new ways of separating money from people, state citizens and visitors alike. It's no surprise knowledgeable citizens of that state go elsewhere. Visitors should go elsewhere too.
77 posted on 01/15/2006 12:03:55 PM PST by backtothestreets
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To: ark_girl

You can rent in the Boston area for very reasonable prices relative to salaries, but yeah, the costs of owning a home are in the stratosphere. Those amenities (and they are wonderful) are enough to keep 20-somethings and empty nesters in the state, but people without a lot of money who are concerned about having a home for their kids are trading in the big city glamor for a place they can afford to settle down. Boston isn't so exciting if you have to settle 40 miles away to buy a home.


78 posted on 01/15/2006 12:05:27 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: gondramB
He said he was already under pressure at work for not allocating enough of his salary to give to pan handlers

That's just... weird. I don't understand that.

I work in a touristy area of the city and see a few panhandlers on the street, but I have no trouble ignoring them. Harvard Square is full of them but they know if they step out of line they'll get arrested.
79 posted on 01/15/2006 12:06:52 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: backtothestreets

Taxes in Massachusetts, as a share of income, are relatively low--lower than in Georgia or North Carolina, for example. We've had many years of Republican governors and between tax cuts and our high incomes we do not pay much in taxes. I think we're ranked like #29 among states for state and local taxes.

Throw in our federal tax burden, where our high salaries and the progressive tax system means that we subsidize a lot of poorer states, and we rise to #4.


80 posted on 01/15/2006 12:08:33 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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