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New cold medicine law goes into effect in NC [Register your Sudafed!]
News 14 Carolina ^ | 1/15/2006 1:38 PM | Staff

Posted on 01/16/2006 7:50:48 AM PST by TaxRelief

WAKE FOREST, N.C. --North Carolina started enforcing its new law intended to stop the spread of methamphetamine labs on Sunday.

Since 1999 the number of meth labs in the state has skyrocketed. Then the State Bureau of Investigation busted nine labs; in 2005 they discovered 328 of them.

As of Jan. 15 you must be at least 18, show photo ID and sign a log if you want to by over-the-counter cold medicines such as Sudafed and Tylenol Cold. Both medicines contain either pseudoephedrine or ephedrine, which are key ingredients used to make meth.

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Under the new law you can only buy two packages of cold medicine containing pseudoephedrine or ephedrine at a time, and only three packages in a 30-day period.


TOPICS: Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; bang; bigbrother; coldmedicine; meth; privacyrights; substanceabuse; sudafed
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Comment 1: Apparently, people under 18 do not get colds and allergies.

Comment 2: Today Sudafed; tomorrow baking soda? What is the legal precedent for requiring signatures for purchase of any product?

Comment 3: What is the legal precedent for limiting the quantity you can buy of ANY product? Will ammo be limited next? Cigarettes?

1 posted on 01/16/2006 7:50:51 AM PST by TaxRelief
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2 posted on 01/16/2006 7:53:28 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief

Jeez. We sometimes have 6 or 7 people in our family using Sudafed or equivalent allergy products. Are we going to have to go out of state? Does this affect children's liquids, or only tablets?


3 posted on 01/16/2006 7:54:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (D-minus-8.)
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To: Constitution Day

Thank goodness peyote grows wild around here. :)


4 posted on 01/16/2006 7:55:17 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: TaxRelief
Comment 3: What is the legal precedent for limiting the quantity you can buy of ANY product?

Bought a prescription lately?

5 posted on 01/16/2006 7:56:03 AM PST by glock rocks ("God's gift to you is life itself. What you do with it is your gift to God." - Leo Buscaglia)
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To: TaxRelief

"What is the legal precedent for limiting the quantity you can buy of ANY product? Will ammo be limited next? Cigarettes?"

These types of restrictions are GOOD for you. So, liberals are 100% behind them. See, we've got to protect people from themselves. The nanny state. Ban cigarettes, guns, and anything else that can hurt you!

Oh, but listen in to conversations that Osama's friends have? Oh, now that's BAD. That's infringing on rights!

Good Lord, how can those people get it so backwards. If you're going to buy something you can hurt yourself with, and you do... well, maybe that part of the gene pool needed some chlorination.


6 posted on 01/16/2006 7:56:25 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: TaxRelief

They have to get a handle on this meth stuff! Its the same way here in Georgia, they are busting labs all over the place. It reminds me of the moonshine days where you couldn't buy large amounts of sugar at one time.


7 posted on 01/16/2006 7:56:57 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: TaxRelief

Most places just limit what you can buy. Buying a bottle of NyQuil is no problem. Buying it by the case is where you run into problems. Even so, I'm not so sure that it solves the problem. I'm betting that there are a lot of grocery store and convenience store owners, and wholesalers, that make a lot of money selling to meth dealers out the back door. Is the distributor going to know if it's going on? Business is good, a lot of people have colds and the flu, move along. Through the summer, it's allergy season. In the fall, a lot of people are allergic to mold.


8 posted on 01/16/2006 7:58:02 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

"Thank goodness peyote grows wild around here. :)"

Is peyote controlled? What's the active ingredient? Do you seriously use it? I'm just curious.


9 posted on 01/16/2006 7:58:14 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: southernerwithanattitude

its a good law they passed it here in alabama and the labs literally disappeared now if we can just stop the mexicans from bringing in from mexico


10 posted on 01/16/2006 7:58:38 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: TaxRelief

These laws are getting ridiculous.

In Oklahoma, you can only buy those at a pharmacy/drug store.

Arkansas Walmart only sells them at the pharmacy window. The Superstore is 24/7. The pharmacy isn't.

The idiots making these laws are probably some of the same idiots who are trying to make vitamins and herbals available only by prescription.



With the national increase in peoples' weight, soon they will be regulating the number of t-spoons of sugar one can buy on any single trip to the grocery store.


11 posted on 01/16/2006 7:58:57 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: brownsfan

I'm just funnin' with CD. We have a NM vs. NC for silliness thing going.

I'm a beer and scotch man. :)


12 posted on 01/16/2006 7:59:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: TaxRelief

My wife really objects to this.... I have allergies and i take pseudofed and Benedryl.

But to me it seems like a better choice than making them prescription only which is the other thing you do when a drug is abusable..


13 posted on 01/16/2006 7:59:50 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: TaxRelief

80+% of the meth and/or ingredients come up from Mexico, mostly through illegal aliens.

Yet, virtually every state is focusing on over-the-counter cold medicines. Oh, and also iodine sold at feed stores.

Odd, no?


14 posted on 01/16/2006 8:00:22 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: southernerwithanattitude

My state has lead the country most years in Meth labs busted. Cold and allergy medicines are now kept behind the cash register in most stores and you can buy no more than two packages at a time.


15 posted on 01/16/2006 8:00:24 AM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: TaxRelief
Register your Sudafed. Register your beer kegs.

How 'bout those illegal aliens?

16 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:05 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Tax-chick

In Texas all of these meds are now behind the counter.
A card that looks like the product is on the shelf and you take it to the counter in exchange for the actual product.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:13 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: TomGuy
With the national increase in peoples' weight, soon they will be regulating the number of t-spoons of sugar one can buy on any single trip to the grocery store.

I'm toast if they do that..............I make jelly and buying 30 pounds of sugar at a clip is not unusual for me.

18 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:13 AM PST by Gabz
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To: jneesy

There was a GBI officer in the office last friday and he was telling me that they are makeing it in Mexico and bringing it in here now. He said it was more powerfull than the "homemade" stuff.


19 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:21 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: Tax-chick

This is the law in Texas, too.

Have to go to the pharmacy to get 2 boxes of the real stuff.

I say let the junkies die. I don't care.


20 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:45 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: TaxRelief

I have thought that this might happen. The druggies have taken control of a good product, and have abused it to the point where law abiding people are being punished. We use sudafed regularly in our household, but because of the size of my family, I can easily see where I might be over my "quota" allowed. What am I supposed to do then?


21 posted on 01/16/2006 8:02:42 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I say let the junkies die. I don't care.

It's all the crap they pull to feed their habit before it kills them that's annoying.

22 posted on 01/16/2006 8:02:45 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: southernerwithanattitude

" It reminds me of the moonshine days where you couldn't buy large amounts of sugar at one time."

Once prohibition was removed in the 30's, the moonshine business wasn't as profitable. That's why some counties are still "dry" counties, even though it seems very quaint and old-fashioned. The political infrastructure in those counties can make lots of money off of illegal moonshine so there's no way they would want to make liquor legal.


23 posted on 01/16/2006 8:02:48 AM PST by webstersII
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Tax-chick
In Texas all of these meds are now behind the counter.

They haven't done it yet in Maryland or Virginia.........but I do know it is that way in Delaware now. It's driving some of my friends with allergies up the wall.

24 posted on 01/16/2006 8:03:28 AM PST by Gabz
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To: MeanWestTexan

My Mom lives on a rural road in the middle of nowhere. One night there was an explosion and a huge fire at a house - turned out to be a meth lab and no one had any idea what was going on there. Now we tell Mom she lives in the ghetto. ;^)


25 posted on 01/16/2006 8:03:58 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: jneesy
now if we can just stop the mexicans from bringing in from mexico

A few days before their arrest on federal cocaine trafficking charges, Exinia and Nuñez moved more than a quarter-ton of cocaine from Mexico through the Rio Grande Valley and on to New York City

[from this thread:
"Osama's people" crossing into US from Mexico?
]
26 posted on 01/16/2006 8:04:05 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TaxRelief

How soon will it be easier to go to your local meth dealer to buy pseudoephedrine than going to the drug store? "No Mr. Twitchy, you don't understand. I don't want to buy the meth, I have a cold and just want one of your ingredients."


27 posted on 01/16/2006 8:04:13 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Hey Fat Ted: Alito is the judge, Mojito is what you're drinking. Try to remember the difference.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

All the more reason to make it dirt cheap, so they don't have to rob anyone on their way to the grave.

Hell, give it away free.


28 posted on 01/16/2006 8:04:23 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: phil1750

just go buy 50000 rounds of ammo or 500# of gunpowder or even better try to get 5 tons of chicken crap the gubmint will find you ASAP....guaranteed

items that are potentially harmful to society have to be controlled....period


29 posted on 01/16/2006 8:04:53 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Good thinking, where was my head at?


30 posted on 01/16/2006 8:05:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: B Knotts
80+% of the meth and/or ingredients come up from Mexico, mostly through illegal aliens.

My sources in law enforcement (I am an medically-retired cop) tell me that it's more like 80+% is brewed in the county where it's getting sold. They seldom intercept shipments of meth in the same way they intercept pot, smack, or coke.

31 posted on 01/16/2006 8:06:45 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: jneesy
items that are potentially harmful to society have to be controlled....period

That's what Bloomberg says, too.

32 posted on 01/16/2006 8:06:58 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Heck, both Midland and Odessa now have decon units to deal with cleaning up these places.

Considering it was in Midland where those terrorists (yes, they are confirmed members of a terrorist cell, you heard it here first) were caught buying cellphones at Wal-Mart, I suppose Decon units are nice to have, whatever the original rationale for buying them.


33 posted on 01/16/2006 8:07:19 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Gabz
I make jelly

Oh. So that is what they are calling it now, huh? Uhm huh.
34 posted on 01/16/2006 8:07:28 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Tax-chick

Remember the article that recently came out claiming that cold remedies don't work to heal colds and are therefore useless and should not be used...This is the beginning of the ban on cold remedies. Activist science followed by nanny state control.


35 posted on 01/16/2006 8:07:39 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Yes, it is "brewed" here, but in the "superlabs," which are mainly run by illegal aliens, and their ingredients come up from Mexico, according to a number of stories I've read.


36 posted on 01/16/2006 8:08:06 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Tax-chick

Just another case of where the little people have to suffer because our government can't control drug pushers! I'm sick of it!


37 posted on 01/16/2006 8:08:33 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: TaxRelief

The government has stood the Constitution on it's head since the Roosevelt began literally dozens of unconstitutional government programs buy invoking the "interstate commerce clause" and pretending that it was written to basically void the rest of the Constitution by giving Congress the power to do literally ANYTHING that is even remotely linked to interstate commerce.


38 posted on 01/16/2006 8:09:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Gabz

So you SUPPLY other people's sugar habits, do you?

You know you're going to get sued by someone who got fat and, one time, ate one cracker with some jelly on it.


39 posted on 01/16/2006 8:09:18 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Geez, I hadn't heard about Midland/Odessa. Perhaps they should deputize some of the locals and let 'em round them up.....


40 posted on 01/16/2006 8:09:49 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: TaxRelief
Comment 1: Apparently, people under 18 do not get colds and allergies.

There is an age below which it is reasonable to expect that kids should not be self-medicating. You can argue whether that age is 6 or 18 or something in-between. But the sad fact is that massive amounts of Corecidan (sp?) is a cheap, legally obtainable, and dangerous high for some teens. I don't think teens can buy spray paints in some states, and I know the old Testors plastic cement was once sold only to adults for the same reason.

To be honest, I have no idea what the "signature" part of the law is about unless it is an attempt to keep the merchants honest.

41 posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:01 AM PST by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Gabz

I don't mind its being "behind the counter" as long as we can get some when we need it. Maybe laws of this kind will spur the development of alternative decongestants!


42 posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:30 AM PST by Tax-chick (D-minus-8.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Real meth labs just get this stuff from Mexico. They must be going after the very small operators.


43 posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:35 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Yeah, we're on I-20 between El Paso and DFW, so (Odessa, really) is kind of a hot bed of meth right now.


44 posted on 01/16/2006 8:11:14 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: TaxRelief

FWIW, I actually prefer chlorpheniramine maleate (chlor-trimeton) to the stuff with pseudoephedrine.

I also find it helps for migraine type headaches caused by the vagus nerve going funky-like when you wear headphones, or a visor, and the next thing you know you have sharp shooting pains radiating from behind the ear or jaw across the top of your head.

Now when they start regulating chlorpheniramine, then, I'll be stockpiling the stuff!


45 posted on 01/16/2006 8:12:07 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Blood of Tyrants

These are state laws, so the commerce clause (and federal power) is not implicated.

That said, these are stupid laws for an altogether different reason.


46 posted on 01/16/2006 8:12:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

before this law took effect we literally had a house exploding a week in marshall county and it wasnt illegals doing it.

it was the local "redneck chemists" who saw a chance at an easy buck


47 posted on 01/16/2006 8:12:24 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: TomGuy

Rofl!!!!!


48 posted on 01/16/2006 8:13:34 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Tax-chick

I fully understand - someone earlier mentioned that the pharmacy at WalMart isn't open all the time so that would make it tough to get the meds at night - I haven't experienced that because we try to keep meds here all the time.


49 posted on 01/16/2006 8:14:05 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: MeanWestTexan

I know Midland/Odessa well...... ;^)


50 posted on 01/16/2006 8:14:28 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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