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1 posted on 01/16/2006 9:54:06 PM PST by Jay777
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2 posted on 01/16/2006 9:55:57 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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Hopefully this will directly to the 'new' supreme court, complete with Alito and Roberts.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 9:56:08 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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...is this the same outfit that wanted us to believe that Bill Clinton's purgery wasn't "an impeachable offense"?

Who's above the law now?


4 posted on 01/16/2006 9:56:09 PM PST by Tzimisce
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These people are not only traitors, they are the enemy within.


5 posted on 01/16/2006 9:57:27 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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Why isn't the ACLU suing state governments who are daily infringing on the rights of private businesses?


6 posted on 01/16/2006 9:58:37 PM PST by Gabz
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How terrible would it be to hound ACLU attorneys by pulling them over and making a citizen's arrest for driving under the influence?

If they don't test out for alcohol, just accuse them of being under the influence of Satan. Something.

Maybe spray their lawn put a dog in heat in their mailbox or something.

I'm joking, of course, but these guys drive me nuts!


11 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:15 PM PST by CheyennePress
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I think that the majority of Americans have fogotten about 911 and they have buried their heads in the sand rather than remember the horror of SEPTEMBER 11.


12 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:26 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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The program is disrupting their ability to talk with sources, locate witnesses, conduct scholarship, and engage in advocacy.

How are any of these things curtailed because they now "know" what they already surely should have known for years -- that unencrypted phone calls can always be intercepted.

We aren't allowed to say anything of importance on unsecured phone lines. If the U.S. wasn't listening, you can be sure that the countries in the middle east are monitoring every phone call that comes into their countries.

Are these people so naive as to believe that the agreements the phone companies must sign with Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, et. al don't include as a matter of course the ability of those countries to listen in to all the conversations?

Or don't they really care if the evil dictators of those countries know what they are saying, because they assume those dictators will be happy with what they hear?

15 posted on 01/16/2006 10:09:03 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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i want to see what Dems jump on board this suit. My guess. Zero. They sure talk a good game though.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 10:12:14 PM PST by jsk10
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As if it wasn't expected...what took them so long?


18 posted on 01/16/2006 10:13:13 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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"The current surveillance of Americans is a chilling assertion of presidential power that has not been seen since the days of Richard Nixon."

Must have been asleep during the Clinton regime which not only illegally released personal information on whistle-blowers they also used the IRS to harass them. (IF not outright mafia like threats and intimidation!)Clinton was Nixon with charisma and without the integrity.

19 posted on 01/16/2006 10:14:36 PM PST by Nateman (In the spirit of friendship reach out your hand to a RAT. Then slap its drooling face.)
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"Because of the nature of their calls and e-mails, they believe their communications are being intercepted by the NSA under the spying program."

Now what in the world is the ACLU doing communicating with the enemy? And if they are, I certainly hope the NSA is recording their calls. It's part of their job to catch spies.

21 posted on 01/16/2006 10:15:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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Asked and answered; this issue has already been handled by the courts. When acting in the capacity of the commander in chief, the president has broad wartime powers. Congress authorized the president, after 9/11, to conduct wartime actions against any current or future terrorists...

While there might be a judge or two in the system who is willing to play politics (oh, stop laughing at me..) the reality is that to allow this lawsuit to succeed would effectively make any wartime action by a sitting president be reviewable by a court of law.

My guess? The second judge to look at this will toss it out of court for lack of evidence. The parties have no proof that they've been spied upon, and the possibility that they might be isn't enough to justify trampling the constitution. The third judge might decide to warn the executive that any evidence collected can not be admitted into a court of law, and that will be the end of the story.

I don't think it'll reach the SCOTUS; too much established law in this arena. Oddly enough, the ACLU is doing us a favor. Not only will it reconfirm an already established precedent, but it also might get some of these wackos to get back to providing evidence. After all, it is safe to talk now - the ACLU is suing the US government.

Oh, and just in case the ACLU finds a miracle path with an incredible argument, the worst case scenario is that the NSA has to turn over that intelligence to the Brits or someone else to analyze. I don't think it'll reach that point, but you never know these days.

Oh, and those who were sitting on the fence with the ACLU won't find this to be tasteful. Protecting a reporter might interest them, but wholesale going after the administration on a matter of national defense will make them radioactive to all but the most hardcore liberal, and those hardcore liberals have enough things to spend their money on.

Someone at the ACLU didn't think this one through.

The only real downside is that congress neglected to identify the type of terrorist that the president is supposed to fight; these same powers could be turned around to be used on any number of people. We have a horribly honest president right now, we won't always. We have to do everything in our power to ensure that no one sits in that chair that is not able to first distinguish who is a threat, and who is a political opponent.
23 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:11 PM PST by kingu
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Have people ever tried suing the ACLU in an offensive way. I'm talking about suing the organization itself, funding, operation, tax status, etc...Anything?


25 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:57 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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Please tell me that the NSA has been watching these traitors at the ACLU closely.


29 posted on 01/16/2006 10:19:06 PM PST by Bullitt
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So, this program keeps being reported as a "vast wiretapping program", right?

Ok...everything that I have read, even from THE SOURCE (James Riesen, the author of the new book and the now-identified source for the original NY Times article that broke the story), says that there were 500 Americans that had their phones tapped. And for all 500, their phone number was found on the computer or cell phone of captured Al Qeada operative.

Five hundred. Approximate population of the United States is 300 Million.

So, precisely 0.0000017 of the American population MIGHT have had their terrorist-connected phone calls monitored.

Forgive me if I'm not shocked, stunned, and dismayed that 0.0000017 of the American population, all of whom have known ties to a terrorist organization, had their phones tapped.

36 posted on 01/16/2006 10:34:32 PM PST by mattdono (The New 'Rat math: 0.0000017% = Vast Wiretapping of "Americans" Riiiggghhhhtttt...)
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I'm so sick of this crap that the Libs continue to try and push.

These are incoming calls from terrorists to people inside of the United States whom are NOT EVEN NECESSARILY AMERICANS. It's amazing to watch the Libs and their MSM buddies keep spinning this into "spying on all Americans".

Here's a tip for all the ACLU backers: Don't want to worry about your calls being monitored? Don't accept that call from that overseas terrorist and you have nothing to worry about. Geez.


37 posted on 01/16/2006 10:52:14 PM PST by Nasher
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ACLU, go back to Moscow where you came from. You'll need warmer clothes.


44 posted on 01/17/2006 4:13:53 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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And the sorry no good SOBs are using mine and your tax money to do support the terrorist.


45 posted on 01/17/2006 4:18:46 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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How many times does that happen... I was about to keyword this "ENEMYWITHIN" and when I went to click on "add keyword" it was already there...


46 posted on 01/17/2006 5:01:39 AM PST by thoughtomator
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