Posted on 01/17/2006 9:16:08 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
Maryville, Blount County (WVLT) - The issue involving the confederate flag is coming back in Blount County after students at a local high school were ordered to cover up their shirts on Friday with the confederate flag on it.
WVLT Volunteer TV's Blount County Bureau Chief Stephen McLamb has the latest.
More than 150 students at William Blount High School have signed a petition seeking support for the right to wear confederate symbols on shirts and other clothing items.
But students who wore the emblem on Friday say they were threatened with suspension if they didn't cover up.
Some students say they support the right to express their confederate heritage that the school has taken away.
Many students came to school on Friday wearing a confederate symbol but say school officials then threatened them.
"If we didn't they said that they were going to suspend us, but my friend Bruce, they threatened my friend Bruce that if he didn't turn his shirt inside out, they were going to take him to juvenile," says Derek Barr, who started the flag petition.
Barr says he hopes to seek more signatures for his petition but says he's concerned about retaliation from school officials.
Attempts to contact Principal Steve Lafon or Superintendent Alvin Hord were unsuccessful.
The policy may be facing legal action, local Sons of Confederates Camp Commander Ron Jones says they will be assisting the students should a suit be filed against the school system.
####Let's chunk all of western history as racist then eh?####
Those are the plans and they seem to be right on schedule. Didn't Jesse Jackson lead a chant of "Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Western Culture's Got To Go!" a few years ago?
Liberals are quite predictable if people would just pay attention to how they act and stop believing what they say. But they sucker in some of our guys every time.
BTW, I love your tagline.
Actually those states did not act as independent nations. They were never treated as separate nations during this period and almost all understood that ratification would come after the particular political problems preventing ratification were removed.
Rhode Island's governor even wrote a letter to the President begging him NOT to consider RI as truly outside the Union.
As I said there are portions of the language of the Constitution which are identical to that in the Articles. Just because it changed almost every feature didn't mean it was not a revision. More of a revision than hoped for perhaps but still a revision.
I suggest you check Allan Nevins book about the rise of Lincoln and the activities he describes that occurred while Buchanan was president. Not only was there a well organized conspiracy but some of its principles actually were in his cabinent. Even newspaper editors had agitated for independence during the decade prior to 1861. While the major figures whose names are commonly known were not openly engaged in this there were plenty of others who were.
Exactly! The purge of the names and memories of our Founding Fathers has already begun. Wait'll Old Glory comes under attack, and it eventually will. And then some of the PC-Cons here will say, "But it's the American Flag!" And the PC Gestapo will say, "Haven't you already said that a flag that flew over slavery deserves our contempt? Yes, you said that. You were in full agreement with us about the Confederate Battle Flag. And now you try to defend the shameful legacy of Old Glory??!!!"
And at that point, the PC-Cons will either wake up (too late) or roll over once again and meekly agree that the American flag does have a sort of sordid history and maybe a new flag not so offensive to sensitive people might be in order.
HA! Nice suit, wouldn't look as good on me.
I hear Webster's just added the word "D'oh" to its latest volume, so inclusion in that book doesn't necessarily prove much! I'll stick with "use regardless instead".
I'm not fond of the language police either, but when you're making broad-brush assertions about a group's intelligence or education, you might want to avoid using any self-negating slang words....
It's alarming evident those longing for the 'good old days' of the Deep South are pushing that subversive line but shall not not make gain anything, since the vast majority of loyal American citizens fully reject the warped mentality of the defeated 'lost cause' which tore the nation in two & produced the 100 year barbaric era of voter intimidation and organized murder by mob rule.
We obviously aren't going to agree with one another at all on the Confederacy issue. But for some reason I took at look at your FR homepage, and we sure share a taste in classic films!
You (guys) seem to start at the wrong end of things. You (people) appear to think: "They're saying the Confederates were evil. The Confederates weren't evil. They're my ancestors. I'm not evil. They can't be evil either. Therefore 1) they must be good and justified not evil, or 2) somebody else must be evil or 3) everybody is pretty much the same with no differences between them, and therefore the Rebels were as good as the Unionists.
But a lot of the rest of us start at the other end and never get that far. We look at the facts and conclude that in some way the Conferates were wrong or less right or less justified than the Unionists, but we're not saying "These guys are good and those are evil." There may be some people who do that, but most of us don't.
Many of us could agree that the rebels were brave and did what they thought was right, but some of us think that their choices were wrong and perhaps unworthy. But we don't get to the point of passing judgement on whether they were evil or not. So there's a false note in your argument.
You're not responding to the arguments that people actually make against your cause. Instead you're choosing a language that most of us don't use, in order to make an emotional case. Why not deal with the real questions at issue instead of emotionalizing the argument?
I'm not sure just how radical the Radical Republicans were once slavery had been abolished. Some undoubtedly were quite radical, others not so much. I'd agree that the 14th Amendment has caused a lot of problems. It's poorly drafted and too general. It's allowed for too much intrusion by the courts into local affairs.
But there was concern even in the early days of the Republic that rights needed to be safeguarded from local and state authorities as well as from the federal government. One of the proposed amendments in the Bill of Rights addressed this subject, though it didn't pass.
####You're not responding to the arguments that people actually make against your cause. Instead you're choosing a language that most of us don't use, in order to make an emotional case. Why not deal with the real questions at issue instead of emotionalizing the argument?####
Thanks for responding in a good manner. I don't think I'm emotionalizing the argument. It doesn't bother me if someone sides with the Union and thinks the south made an error by seceding. One of my closest friends attends Civil War re-enactments as a Unionist, and he truly does support the Union side. I can understand that, even though I'm on the other side. All I'm objecting to is the vilification of the Confederates, the desire to eradicate our history and heritage, and the efforts to prohibit us from displaying the cherished symbols of our ancestors. Usually when one of these threads pops up, that's the issue. Someone has demanded that a Confederate flag be taken off Confederate soldiers' graves, or banned Rebel Flag logos from schools or some other place, or whatever.
I just try to show people that our Confederate ancestors weren't monsters who deserve to be hated, that our symbols aren't evil and don't deserve to be vilified, and that the consequences of either go far beyond the Southern issue to actually threaten our entire American heritage. This is indeed a front in the culture wars, and a victory by the anti-Confederacy forces will come back to haunt conservatives later in many ways.
But your position, which I'm on record in a previous thread as supporting, more or less, (I really don't mind the Confederate flag--do what you want with it), is compromised by the fact that it HAS been adopted by white supremacists in this country, including the current leadership of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, like Kirk Lyons. You guys need to do a better job of repudiating the people who are absconding with your symbols and giving them a meaning I don't think you want them to have.
This is something Southerners will have to work out for themselves, though. Presenting the conflict as an argument against outsiders -- as some people do -- is a dodge, as is assuming that all Southerners agree about what to do about the Confederate flag. It may be your own neighbors and their kids who'll disagree with you the most.
PC-Cons??...lol....how apt....i love it.
and plan to appropriate it!
thanks!
Far fewer than the number killed by those bearing the U.S. flag.
I am very entertained by your efforts to paint me as an idiot. As I said, I would be delighted to post pre-2000 pictures of the Klan with the battle flag (though my original challenge, which you seem to be too incapacitated to recall, was to find pre-1960 photos of that nature), however, I found that there were no such pictures to be found. The impetus for proof, therefore, is on you, my friend.
There are good people from every part of the world - I'm not the one that's giving "revisionist" lessons, though. I'm sorry if you lack the ability to research on your own the issues that we're discussing, but your beliefs are of little concern to me. As long as you're happy, keep it up.
Sir, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find letters from Northern leaders that expressed what you desire. I provided a quote from a prominent Southerner illustrating his distaste towards the institution of slavery - if that's not good enough to meet your preposterous requirements, then I'm sorry to leave you disappointed.
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