Confederate Flag Fight Rises Again in High School

Maryville, Blount County (WVLT) - The issue involving the confederate flag is coming back in Blount County after students at a local high school were ordered to cover up their shirts on Friday with the confederate flag on it.

More than 150 students at William Blount High School have signed a petition seeking support for the right to wear confederate symbols on shirts and other clothing items.

But students who wore the emblem on Friday say they were threatened with suspension if they didn't cover up.

Some students say they support the right to express their confederate heritage that the school has taken away.

Many students came to school on Friday wearing a confederate symbol but say school officials then threatened them.

"If we didn't they said that they were going to suspend us, but my friend Bruce, they threatened my friend Bruce that if he didn't turn his shirt inside out, they were going to take him to juvenile," says Derek Barr, who started the flag petition.

Barr says he hopes to seek more signatures for his petition but says he's concerned about retaliation from school officials.

Attempts to contact Principal Steve Lafon or Superintendent Alvin Hord were unsuccessful.

The policy may be facing legal action, local Sons of Confederates Camp Commander Ron Jones says they will be assisting the students should a suit be filed against the school system.

####(even though our country is currently engaged in fighting a war against sworn enemies).####

And who is it that's undermining that fight? Southerners? The folks in Mississippi who voted to keep the Rebel Flag flying? Not at all. It's the PC crowd, including many of the same people who get all in a twist over a Rebel Flag.

You act as if the war against Confederate symbols was launched by super-patriots waving Old Glory. It wasn't. It was launched by the anti-American ultra-left.

"And who is it that's undermining that fight? Southerners?"

Wrong!

Americans is the term our enemies and friends know US by not something which happened over 150 years ago and is relegated to the history books by normal American citizens.

Pal don't know me, I am the last guy anyone would call P/C... LOL, except maybe card carrying putz's in the League of the South (suit and tie klan clones).

Don't you just love the comments they rave on about? It would be great taking LOS'ers and leftist hippie commies, stick the whole lot of them in a locked hockey stadium and let them have fun on the ice. Clean up America would take on whole new meaning.

Since you seem unable or unwilling to call your self an American and only a "Southerner" maybe you need a refresher course on what it means to be an American.

####Since you seem unable or unwilling to call your self an American and only a "Southerner" maybe you need a refresher course on what it means to be an American.####

When did I ever indicate that I'm unable or unwilling to call myself an American? My whole point in this thread has been to show what loyal Americans southerners have been. Who's undermining our President in his war against terror? Not the southerners who want to keep the Rebel Flag flying, but the likes of Kennedy, Kerry, MoveOn, Code Pink, Boxer, Conyers, Hillary, Turban Durbin, Gore, etc. The very people who would ban the Rebel Flag are the ones undermining the war against terror. Didn't Turban Durbin recently get a Confederate Flag removed from a cemetary in Illinois where Confederate soldiers are buried?

"Who's undermining our President in his war against terror?"

You want to know whom? Traitors, sellouts, appeassing rat bum communists, and they in every state in the Union. "Not the southerners who want to keep the Rebel Flag flying".. instead of the American flag(?)

Do you really believe Osama & his subterranean Islamic lice, hiding out in his filthy cave with that same, silly looking used diaper on his head, are sitting up nights wondering which "Southerners" are stuck in a Civil War time warp? Or does the Mohammedan madman simply desire to slaughter all Americans, regardless of their views on any subject?

The leftist agenda machine you mentioned, Kennedy, Kerry, MoveOn, Code Pink, Boxer, Conyers, Hillary, Turban Durbin, Gore, etc. (you forgot $$$man Sicko Soros)...are conspiring to subvert the whole country, as in the United States of America, -or- do they only focus their subverionist plans on a wacko minority of oddball rebel secessionists, glued to the diging up the worst of the Old South?

Are you a member of the LOS?

I'll give you five clams if you tell me.

This fiver has been transformed into suitable usage for neo-confederates :)

You want a reply? How's this? With all the important issues confronting America by hordes of Middle-Eastern psychopathic terrorists, do you believe anyone really gives a f@@@ about anything a pack of ignorant schmucks say about demanding to re-fight the American Civil War in 2006? Seriously, give the 'lost cause' a rest. :)

Duly noted, Sir. I commend you for your kind-hearted reply - and I assure you that I take the issues facing us today (terrorism, open borders, and the terrorist sympathizers and traitors on the Left) as far more serious matters than this. For the most part, these periodic debates serve as a nice distraction from the more modern issues that we face.

I look forward to continuing this on the next thread! Until then,

Warmest regards,
~dt~

He didn't but his widow did, and she paints a picture of a man mildly troubled by slavery, but apparently not troubled enough to set his own slaves free. Perhaps more telling is a quote from Jackson himself in a letter concerning his half-brother, Wirt Woodson. Jackson was apparently very protective of the much younger man and in discussing his future Jackson wrote, "I do not want him [Wirt] to go to a free state if it can be avoided, for he would probably become an abolitionist; and then in the even of trouble between North and South he would stand on one side and we on the other." So not only did Jackson believe that trouble would come over the abolition of slavery he had no doubt where he would stand on the issue. Obviously to him slavery was worth fighting for.

Or, in terms of the day, "property rights." I understand, and will continue to research the matter. Hopefully, we'll pick it up on the next periodic thread.

Ask the real traitors what they think of the Rebel Flag. Take a Rebel Flag over to MoveOn or Code Pink headquarters and watch them spit on it. That should clue you in as to why the left wants the flag banned, and why you guys are dupes for going along with them.

A very poignant point, my friend. Your entire post was a very well-written argument, and I'll wholeheartedly second it.

"For the most part, these periodic debates serve as a nice distraction from the more modern issues that we face."

I agree Sir. As we post here, in the terrorist formulating capitol of the enemy, more grisly plots are being hatched.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manoucher Mottaki (L) greets prom>inent Iraqi Shi'ite terrorist thug "cleric" Moghtada Al Sadr in Tehran, Iran / January 22nd, 2006. Reuters photo

Cheers & to total victory over the enemies of America & the civilized world.

Nonsense! I'm not a member of any League of the South!

But you didn't answer my question about Turban Durbin. Didn't he get a Confederate Flag removed from a cemetary? And isn't it true that until 1993 only the looniest lefties got upset by Confederate symbols? And isn't it true that in that year the left learned (via Moseley-Braun's tirade) that the issue could be used to intimidate weak conservatives via the race card? And didn't the war against Confederate symbols begin at that point? And don't guys like Turban Durbin count on guys like you to help them set the precedents the left will use a few years from now to declare war on Old Glory and the Founding Fathers?

As for your electoral map, nice try.

Nice try? Hey bubba, I didn't make that map up. That's what really happened. In 1976 the South voted overwhelmingly for Jimmy Carter . Thanks for..nothing. -btw Ronald Reagan supported the Republican encumbant that year, despite their differences in the primaries. Too bad all those Southerners who now claim fidelity to RR didn't follow his lead back then.

I also noticed that in your disjointed recollection of the 76 campaign you failed to mention another contender from the South, who eventually threw his support to that liberal wingnut peanut farmer. I'll bet you know who I'm talking about, but yer just afraid to mention his name [lol].

Yes, Reagan supported Ford in the general election. So did I, though I couldn't vote for him (I was a month short of turning 18!).

Carter ran as a more conservative type of Democrat. He had experience doing that because you have to appear conservative to get elected down here. Of course, some candidates turn out to be frauds.

Because Carter seemed conservative, and because Ford was a "moderate", Carter was able to win. He won the south because of the large black vote, which always goes 90% for the Democrats. Carter did better with white voters nationwide than a Democrat normally would because he seemed conservative. In states with a low black population (Rocky Mountains, farm belt Midwest, etc.) it didn't matter. It just meant Carter lost the state by less than McGovern or Humphrey lost in the prior two elections. But the additional white votes in southern states combined with large black populations gave Carter the win. Carter lost the white vote in the South, but he lost it by less of a margin than usual. He lost the white vote everywhere by less than usual, but in states where the black population is in single digits it didn't make any difference in who carried the state.

In other words, the GOP dominates the South because the very conservative white population votes overwhelmingly Republican. That's why George Bush is in the White House, not John Kerry (who would have won easily had the South not come through for Bush).

The Republicans are more dependent on the South now than ever. We've lost California thanks to immigration. Ditto for formerly competitive states such as Illinois and New Jersey. The GOP has a narrow margin of victory by holding Ohio, winning a solid South, and winning the Rocky Mountain and farm belt states.

Lose the South and the game's over. Do you still want to go into the 2008 race with a GOP candidate who wants to tear Confederate flags off veterans' graves?

I never said that waving the Rebel Flag is necessary to win an election, just that running it down is a losing issue down here. If you don't believe me, ask the FORMER governors of South Carolina and Georgia, both of whom opposed the flag thinking it would gain them media support for future campaigns for national office. Instead, it ended their careers.

Ditto for the FORMER governor of Mississippi, who lost to Haley Barbour after pushing a referendum to drop the Rebel Flag portion of the Mississippi state flag. The voters rejected the change in a landslide and booted the Governor from office.

I don't care if anyone wants to wave the flag or not. I don't go around waving the Minnesota flag but I don't attack it either. I wouldn't expect to be popular in Minnesota if I denigrated their flag.

The Rebel Flag means a lot to many southerners. Not hate, not treason, but HERITAGE. If you don't like it, fine. I don't care. But leave those who honor the flag alone.

And please answer the questions. Did Turban Durbin get a Confederate Flag booted from a cemetary where Confederate soldiers are buried? Is it not true that only the kookiest leftist extremists got bent out of shape over the flag until around 1993 or so? Isn't it true that that changed when Moseley-Braun threw her staged and phony tantrum on the Senate floor and the Democrats saw how the issue could be used against Republicans by splitting off guys such as yourself (who are terrified of the race card, no matter how phony it is)?

You should answer this question as well:

Why did the left launch its war against the Rebel Flag? Did they do so because leftists are PATRIOTS who can't stand seeing any flag waved other than Old Glory? Or was it because they hate the founding principles of America and want to set a precedent that any flag that flew over the institution of slavery must be buried, as groundwork for a future war to abolish Old Glory?

Why did Turbin Durbin remove that Rebel Flag?

Or how about this. I mentioned earlier that in the less PC year of 1975, Congress voted to restore Robert E. Lee's citizenship with almost no controversy. If that vote were to occur today, there would be a firestorm of opposition, howls and cries of "racism", editorials in the New York Times denouncing the sponsors of the Lee citizenship bill for "racism" at worst and "insensitivity" at best.

But in 1975, the House vote was 407-10. The ten "no" votes were:

Abzug
Carr
Conyers
Dellums
Hawkins
Holtzman
Jeffords
Miller
Scheuer
Stark

Can I assume that if you had been in Congress back then, there would have been 11 votes against, as follows?

Abzug
Carr
Conyers
Dellums
Espinola
Hawkins
Holtzman
Jeffords
Miller
Scheuer
Stark

You'd be listed right under the traitorous Dellums and Conyers, the latter of whom wants to impeach President Bush for fighting the War On Terror! Great place to be, huh?

You see, this hatred for the Confederacy arose not from patriotism but from the ugliest elements of the treason wing of the Rat Party. It's grown to encompass the entire party today, and uses its psych-ops to trick and intimidate even good conservatives such as yourself via the race card and other phony tactics.

Because Carter seemed conservative, and because Ford was a "moderate", Carter was able to win.

Nonsense. Jimmy Carter was not more conservative than Jerry Ford. Jimmy Carter was a preachy liberal pansy, and the South should have known better since Carter was a also Southerner.

He won the south because of the large black vote, which always goes 90% for the Democrats.

The favorite excuse of all southern ~~regional bigots~~ conservatives is that it was the black vote that did them in. Yet 56% of South Carolina voters preferred Jimmy Carter to Jerry Ford. Why that's a higher percentage than Carter got in..New York state. No son, it wasn't the darkies that got Carter elected in the South, it was the George Wallace Democrats that did.

Do you still want to go into the 2008 race with a GOP candidate who wants to tear Confederate flags off veterans' graves?

We're not talking about decorating Confederate graves here, we're talking about kids using the CBF as a fashion accessory on pocketbooks, t-shirts and prom dresses. Are you capable of fathoming the difference?

If the South had treated the CBF with the respect and honor it deserved instead of turning it into a political symbol of defiance and segregation in the 1940s and 50s you wouldn't have this problem today. Instead the South stood by while their so-called heritage was usurped by narrow minded politicians and their white supremist supporters. So don't go blaming others for a problem ya'll created for yourselves.

I never said Carter was more conservative than Ford, just that he came off as such during the campaign.

Carter LOST the white vote in the South, but he got a larger percentage of it than McGovern or Humphrey did. South Carolina is 30% black. That solid black vote combined with a larger than usual minority of the white vote gave Carter the win. New York's black percentage of the population is only half of South Carolina's. In both states, blacks voted 90% for Carter. So which state delivered the most white votes for Carter per capita? You do the numbers. It's New York.

Incidentally, do you want to talk about any more recent elections? Is it your contention that the GOP should dump Dixie because they can win without the South? Care to tell me where the votes will come from? Maybe we can win California, New York, and Massachusetts if we unceremoniously dump Texas, South Carolina, and Alabama. But I doubt it.

BTW, do you get a kick out of using the term "darkies"? I know you're trying to be cute to draw attention from your lack of math skills when it comes to calculating votes, but it isn't working. Nor does anyone around here who hasn't completely capitulated to the Jackson-Sharpton crowd believe that Southern conservatives are bigots.

And it doesn't bother me in the least if the CBF is worn on T-shirts and purses.

If you don't like the CBF, I don't care. Do you think anyone in the South gives a damn? We just object when you guys show up and in your holier than thou posture announce that you're going to ban the CBF from some venue or other, and then pose for the camera as if you did something honorable.

It's our symbol. To us it means regional pride and opposition to centralized government. If you don't like it, fine. Believe me, NO ONE CARES. All we ask is that those of you who don't like the CBF, leave it alone. At least show enough skepticism toward the left's war against the CBF to understand that they launched this crusade as a prelude to a broader future war against the U.S. Flag and the memories of the Founding Fathers. Only the willingly blind can't see that.

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