So we can't be mature without having kids? Seems like a non-sequitor,
My statement on post #17 was: There is a certain amount of truth in that statement.
What part of the words a certain amount of truth don't you understand?
(Go pick on somebody else to start an argument with. I'm busy. I don't have the time for it)
Sure, you can be mature without having kids. But in my case, having kids helped me. In fact, I need lots of kids because I'm still immature.