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To: Boot Hill
The cases I cited made it abundantly clear that the courts were speaking of the President's "inherent constitutional authority", in others words, a power granted by the Constitution, and therefore s power that may not be infringed upon by Congress.

Actually, Truong did not speak of that. That was purely the invention of the court you quoted at the bottom. Truong (a case arising out of a pre-FISA action but decided after FISA was passed) was decided on the much narrower ground that ordinary courts lack the expertise to judge whether or not the probable-cause standard has been met in cases involving foreign surveillance. But it explicitly noted in Footnote 3 that FISA "will encourage the development of foreign intelligence expertise among these seven judges by empowering them to hear all foreign intelligence warrant requests." Thus satisfying the concerns they made in the case they were deciding.

This whole business of saying that the President has "inherent" powers that not even Congress can infringe on is completely specious. The Constitution gives the President not only explicit power but an explicit command to see to it that the laws are enforced, yet no one seriously disputes that Congress can regulate how this is done. And yet we're asked to believe, even "take it for granted", that powers that aren't explicitly granted to him by that document are somehow completely untouchable by Congress.

320 posted on 01/19/2006 12:01:46 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest

That's demonstrable incorrect, the Truong court was quite explicit about the matter and went to great pains to write in length about "Foreign Intelligence Exception to the Warrant Requirement" [629 F.2d 908, 912].

They first noted the government's argument that "the President may authorize surveillance without seeking a judicial warrant because of his constitutional prerogatives in the area of foreign affairs", and the court next included the observation that: "The district court accepted the government's argument that there exists a foreign intelligence exception to the warrant requirement" and finally concluded that: "We agree with the district court that the Executive Branch need not always obtain a warrant for foreign intelligence surveillance" [629 F.2d 908, 913].

Whether pre-FISA or post-FISA, it really doesn't matter, because the underlying principle that the Constitution trumps the ordinary acts of Congress (like FISA), is foundational to our system of government and has been settled law in this country for over 200 years [Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 178 (1801)].

If the court's holding is so "specious" as you say, and since we have a government made up of three co-equal branches, for your argument to be rational it must apply in the converse, as well. Please tell me which powers of Congress can the President infringe upon?

Nobody? Not even the Constitution? What do you think CJ John Marshall meant by the following...

"Thus, the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written Constitutions, that a law repugnant to the Constitution is void, and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument."
--Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 178 (1801)

It sounds as if you'd prefer a two-tiered Constitution, one made up of explicit powers and authorities and a second and subordinate sub-Constitution of inherent powers. The fact is that the courts, as well as common sense, dictate that if the authority is "inherent", then that is no different than if it had been "explicit". And yes, the powers granted the President by the Constitution ARE untouchable by Congress.

323 posted on 01/19/2006 2:11:09 PM PST by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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