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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
But in both cases, the plaintiffs have no evidence that they were caught up in the NSA program. Without evidence of harm -- or what is called legal standing -- neither case is likely to go far.

When did facts or proof ever matter to libs.


2 posted on 01/18/2006 1:39:10 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104
But in both cases, the plaintiffs have no evidence that they were caught up in the NSA program. Without evidence of harm -- or what is called legal standing -- neither case is likely to go far. When did facts or proof ever matter to libs.

They just want all the attention the MSM gives them - helps the masses to feel Bush is spying on everybody and then write the Congresscritters and demand Impeach Bush and Cheney and Impeach and Demand Censure for Bush-Cheney Misconduct

14 posted on 01/18/2006 2:17:07 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe; darkwing104
The effort is to tie this use of power by the President to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. My sense is that we are very nearly at a separation of powers donneybrook.

The President is clearly acting in his capacity as Commander in Chief in a conflict that has Congressional authorization.

Giving the benefit of the doubt regarding treason to Congress, some in Congress are uncomfortable with any wiretaps, ever, for any reason unless authorized by Congress.

That strikes me as an unwarranted power grab on their part.

My guts tell me that it's insane for any country to allow their enemies in the conflict freely to communicate within that country's borders, with that country's citizens, or with that country's military.

That is so insane that it could not have rationally been the point of any law designed to prevent an overbearing government from invading citizen privacy.

18 posted on 01/18/2006 2:54:57 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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