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Minutemen release video of Mexican Army incursion at U.S. border
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps ^ | 2006-01-20 | No author specified

Posted on 01/21/2006 10:12:03 PM PST by Tarantulas

Minutemen release video of Mexican Army incursion of U.S. Border

(SCOTTSDALE, AZ) January 20, 2006 – The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (“MCDC”) announced the release today of video footage of an incursion by a unit of the Mexican army across the U.S. border in Arizona.

Chris Simcox and a group of Civil Defense Corps volunteers encountered a squad of approximately eight armed Mexican soldiers about 500 yards inside American territory.

The Mexican soldiers started running back through the brush to Mexico when they realized they had been spotted.

The video shows a uniformed Mexican soldier climbing through a barbed wire fence on American soil to return to the Mexican side of the border as he races to catch up with the other Mexican soldiers who had also climbed back through the fence as they retreated back into their country.

The soldiers raced up a hill to a group of abandoned buildings at a ranch where military transport vehicles with more soldiers were located.

A group of armed Mexican soldiers then returned to the barbed wire fence (on American soil) and confronted Simcox and the volunteers. A discussion in Spanish ensued, with the agitated soldier 'in charge' saying the Americans had no business being there.

Simcox and the volunteers did not budge. The Mexican soldiers left and drove off. Judging from earlier activity observed at the ranch that morning, Simcox is of the belief that a trafficking operation had been disrupted by the volunteers.

The footage, filmed in 2004, was sent to then Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge. His office did not respond. The video has remained in the Minuteman video archive and is being released in response to recent news reports that over 200 cross-border incursions by the Mexican army have been documented since 1996.

Click here to watch the video


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; border; illegalaliens; mexicanmilitary; mexicantroops; minutemanproject; minutemen; wodlist
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1 posted on 01/21/2006 10:12:06 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: Tarantulas
This is outrageous! Armed foreign military troops, protecting drug traffickers no less, incure onto US territory and nothing is done about it.
2 posted on 01/21/2006 10:18:33 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Tarantulas

Gee, maybe they realize that our government won't do anything about it. Do we even have a policy dealing with illegal immigration any more?


3 posted on 01/21/2006 10:19:13 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: Tarantulas

Hasw anybody read Michael Levine's book Deep Cover? If I remember correctly, he alleged the DEA was actually flying drugs into the U.S.

Any thoughts?


4 posted on 01/21/2006 10:21:39 PM PST by barj
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To: Tarantulas
"The Mexican soldiers started running back through the brush to Mexico when they realized they had been spotted."

No surprise here. They had to change their panties.

5 posted on 01/21/2006 10:23:49 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: gsrinok

what is illegal immigration?


6 posted on 01/21/2006 10:25:43 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Itzlzha; flashbunny; the gillman@blacklagoon.com; Travis McGee

ping


7 posted on 01/21/2006 10:26:11 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Tarantulas

Did not Fox say that the Mexican military stays away from the US/Mexican border?


8 posted on 01/21/2006 10:28:21 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers

I don't believe anything Fox says. He is cut from the same politically correct screw-the-people kind of cloth as Clinton, and his record for telling the truth is about the same.


9 posted on 01/21/2006 10:32:47 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: barj
Yes, the DEA flew drugs into the US. They said it was a sting operation to arrest the people who met the plane. I know one gentleman who explained how to fly a light plane from Bogata non-stop to Harrisburg, Pa.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "On Judge Alito, the San Francisco Chronicle is Unfit to be a Newspaper"

10 posted on 01/21/2006 10:34:58 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Hillary! delendum est.)
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To: gsrinok

no


11 posted on 01/21/2006 11:01:01 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: gsrinok
Forgive me as I am not American, so this is the perspective of an outsider. My wife has an American friend who endured the worst treatment imaginable from US immigration in processing her husband (who is from Haiti) until she threatened to go to the Consulate. Yet, millions of Mexicans are already in the US illegally. The US Government knows this, but tolerates it? It appears that they really don't give a damn. Saw a story on the day worker site at a Home Depot in California. I'd say shop at Lowes and boycott a company that would break the law by hiring illegal immigrants.
12 posted on 01/21/2006 11:06:55 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Tarantulas
For some reason, Vicente Fox reminds me of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Remember the Alamo!
13 posted on 01/21/2006 11:07:47 PM PST by Texas Jack
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To: Tarantulas

kind of a crumby video...the cameraman jumps around all over and doesn't keep it focused on the action very well. Lot's of repeats and the audio sucks . I suppose they were scared , but they could have done a way more effective job of what they tried to do. Where does the film show the Mex's on our side ? Stepping thru the fence ? That would be priceless ! No wonder
Homeland Security ignored it , if this is all there is to it.


14 posted on 01/21/2006 11:13:39 PM PST by injin
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To: gsrinok
Do we even have a policy dealing with illegal immigration any more?

Yes, eliminate the use of the word ILLEGAL!

15 posted on 01/21/2006 11:21:53 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: Stellar Dendrite

16 posted on 01/21/2006 11:32:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Please don't ask for forgiveness for not being an American. Your opinion is as valid as anyone's.

It's hard to tell why a person from Haiti would receive bad treatment from US Immigration agents. Maybe there is more to that story than you are being told.

The immigration problem has been building for years. There is a group of sympathizers within this country who tries to label any attempt at keeping the illegals out as some kind of racist effort. This accusation of racism has kept the politicians from taking effective action against the problem. Another accusation from the sympathizers is that we need the illegal aliens to work here because they do the jobs that American citizens don't want to do. This is actually wrong, since the jobs that the illegals are doing now are jobs that Americans were doing 50 years ago. There are very few "entry level" jobs in this country because many of them are already being done by illegal aliens. It's a wonder our unemployment rate isn't much higher than it is.

Just because there are day labor centers at Home Depot stores in California doesn't mean Home Depot hires illegal aliens. It means that they spend money to give the illegals a place to gather where employers can come and hire them. This is actually an illegal act if Home Depot has reason to believe that some of the people they are aiding are in this country illegally. I wish the federal government would take action against Home Depot, but so far they haven't.


17 posted on 01/22/2006 12:12:18 AM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Tarantulas
Thanks for the explanation on the Home Depot situation.

What I meant by bad treatment is the usual run around given by civil servants in the immigration department. My critique was that those who enter by legal means are treated like criminals and those that choose the illegal route are rewarded. This goes on here in Canada as well, and it really pisses off the average Canadian who believes in following the law. It is not racial. In fact a Chinese woman I know is frustrated because she has tried for years to get her parents from China into Canada to no avail, yet she sees boat people coming illegally here and then staying. Obviously it is much easier and safer to cross the Rio Grande, so while Canada has major immigration problems, it appears the US problem is catastrophic.

I believe the response to the work argument is it doesn't change the fact that the law has been broken.

Of course Canada was the nation that allowed the Millennium bomber to come into our nation to begin with. He actually committed a few acts of robbery and the folks at immigration refused to deport him. The Canadian government also refused to cooperate with CSIS (Canadian Intelligence) in tracking this individual. He then changed his name through a Quebec baptistery, disappeared, showed up in Vancouver to take possession of assembled bombs and was finally caught in Port Angeles. This is the sort of person Canada regards as ideal immigrants.

Sorry, I got off on a tangent. I guess immigration is a real thorny issue for me.
18 posted on 01/22/2006 12:22:02 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Tarantulas

uh its not home depot, its the city of los angeles. in order for home depot to get a building permit to build a store, a safe haven thing must be built for "day workers". get it? btw, los angeles among thousands of other cities have sanctuary policies, in other words, they order the civil employees not to cooperate with federal immigration laws. place blame where blame lies, at 1600 pennsylvania ave.


19 posted on 01/22/2006 12:32:05 AM PST by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: Tarantulas

Bienvenidos America!


20 posted on 01/22/2006 12:38:17 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Super Man wears Jack Bauer pajamas)
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To: Tarantulas

I'm waiting for the administration response that the Minutemen are a buncha voyeuristic vigilantes, who lack the common decency to let people commit crimes in the privacy of their own future country.


21 posted on 01/22/2006 12:44:07 AM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: son of caesar

You can't blame the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (President of the US, for those who aren't American) for the leftist policies of individual states. How bad does it have to get before the citizens of California rise up and put a stop to it?


22 posted on 01/22/2006 1:22:17 AM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
23 posted on 01/22/2006 1:45:09 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: barj

Speaking of books, read Harold Coyle's "Trial By Fire". This military novel postulates a war between the US and Mexico fomented by a fixer who got rich suborning politicians and the military and getting them in bed with drug lords. He used mercenaries dressed as Mexican military to assassinate border patrolmen among other misdeads.


24 posted on 01/22/2006 2:26:54 AM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Something's been done. Homeland Insecurity just hired Jackboot John Magaw.

I'm sure they're planning to burn someone alive in their homes, right now.

Question is, who do they plan to kill?


25 posted on 01/22/2006 5:12:51 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: injin
kind of a crumby video...the cameraman jumps around all over and doesn't keep it focused on the action very well. Lot's of repeats and the audio sucks . I suppose they were scared , but they could have done a way more effective job of what they tried to do. Where does the film show the Mex's on our side ? Stepping thru the fence ? That would be priceless ! No wonder Homeland Security ignored it , if this is all there is to it.

Gotta agree. The article claims there was an incursion, and perhaps there was in this case, I just don't think I saw it on the video- unless someone with sharper eyes can point it out to me.

26 posted on 01/22/2006 5:34:13 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Have you a source for their hiring of Jackboot John?


27 posted on 01/22/2006 5:37:46 AM PST by mo
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To: Sam Gamgee
My critique was that those who enter by legal means are treated like criminals and those that choose the illegal route are rewarded.

That about sums it up. A government that encourages the breaking of it's own laws?? But try not filing your taxes!

I'm thinking of going to Mexico, renouncing my citizenship, and coming back. What a tax break!!

28 posted on 01/22/2006 5:40:26 AM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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To: Tarantulas

I wondered when Simcox was going to release this publically. He showed it to my group right after it happened. I've got friends who live less than a mile from where this happened.


29 posted on 01/22/2006 5:41:53 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Tarantulas
Outrageous. For years now the enemy has been infiltrating into this country, setting up cells, committing acts of terror.
30 posted on 01/22/2006 5:42:00 AM PST by Dante3
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To: barj
If I remember correctly, he alleged the DEA was actually flying drugs into the U.S.

Job security disguised as a deep cover operation?
31 posted on 01/22/2006 5:45:26 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Tarantulas
The footage, filmed in 2004, was sent to then Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge. His office did not respond.

Oh they "responded" alright...

By laughing while tossing the film into the circular file.

32 posted on 01/22/2006 5:54:03 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Tarantulas

If the fence seen a few times in the video is the border, then the Mexicans appeared to stay on their side.

Is that the case with the fence?


33 posted on 01/22/2006 6:33:39 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Lancer_N3502A
Armed foreign military troops, protecting drug traffickers no less, incure onto US territory and nothing is done about it.

I'm shocked...../sarcasm

34 posted on 01/22/2006 6:35:56 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: mo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558944/posts


35 posted on 01/22/2006 6:36:57 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: barj
...Any thoughts?,,,
All "Three Letter Agencies" need lots of off the books money.
Particularly in this nation where we have a number of Congress critters who believe this nation is the source of all the world's woes.


A better book is "Compromised...",by Terrence Reed.
36 posted on 01/22/2006 7:07:37 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
*PING*!

A group of armed Mexican soldiers then returned to the barbed wire fence (on American soil) and confronted Simcox and the volunteers. A discussion in Spanish ensued, with the agitated soldier 'in charge' saying the Americans had no business being there.

Yup...just invading the Countries "Americans Won't Invade!"

Who the HELL is this greasy Mexican Military Moron to tell American Citizens where they can and can't be?!?!

Two weeks ago, President Bush, who supports a guest worker program (search) that would allow illegal immigrants to stay in the United States, called the Minutemen "vigilantes."
"I am against vigilantes in the United States of America; I am for enforcing law in rational ways," Bush said during a press briefing with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

Oh...now I get it. It's the meeting of the Liberal DOOFUSES that can now tell Americans where they can and can't be! "Go home Gringo (Though where would that be now!)...you don't belong here....this is OUR area...Vincente says so, and Jorge Arbusto agreed!"

It seems to me that the "Tree of Liberty" needs watering...and I think I know JUST the traitors to do it!

37 posted on 01/22/2006 8:05:30 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Itzlzha

But, but, but, Chertoff and Homeland Insecurity JUST assured us those invasions were all "mistakes." We should trust the government and not believe these "vigilantes."


38 posted on 01/22/2006 8:22:17 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Tarantulas
You can't blame the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (President of the US, for those who aren't American) for the leftist policies of individual states. How bad does it have to get before the citizens of California rise up and put a stop to it?

The states have tried. California passed prop 187, but their republican governor wouldn't fight in court for it. Certain people, like Grover Norquist and Ceasar Conda worked tirelessly to defeat prop 187, Norquist is the point man for the Bush white house on immigration. Conda worked for Dick Cheney and now is involved with Soros.

ARIZONA REPUBLIC (Op-Ed): A conservative manifesto for solving border woes

Aug. 15, 2004

"How, exactly, would we as a nation seal our borders, and how would we man our economy if we did? Who would labor in the fields to get our crops out of the ground? Who would take the low-paying jobs in our hotels and hospitals? Few native-born Americans now raise their children to do work like that: We aspire to better–and we're lucky that we can. And even if we could stomach the kinds of draconian measures some suggest on the border, that would only drive more of the migrant flow underground, with more of the consequences Arizonans know so well: the disruptive transients, the soaring service costs and the deadly violence associated with human smuggling. In other words, the so-called solutions of those who oppose realistic reform would only entrench the status quo. Conservatives, both in the White House and Congress, have a better answer. Arizona Reps. Jeff Flake and Jim Kolbe and Sen. John McCain led the way last summer with a groundbreaking legislative proposal; then, in January, Bush outlined a set of principles that picked up on several of their best ideas. The centerpiece of both packages: a guest worker program combined with a transitional provision for those already here and working–a measure that would allow them to come in out of the shadows and earn the right to a legal job. "

Signatories (Affiliations for identification purposes only) Jeff Bell, principal, Capital City Partners Larry Cirignano, president, CatholicVote.org Cesar Conda, former assistant for domestic policy to Vice President Dick Cheney Francis Fukuyama, dean of faculty, the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies Richard Gilder, Gilder Gagnon Howe & Co. LLC Newt Gingrich, former speaker of the House of Representatives Ed Goeas, president and CEO, the Tarrance Group Kerri Houston, vice president of policy, Frontiers of Freedom Tamar Jacoby, senior fellow, the Manhattan Institute Jack Kemp, 1996 Republican vice presidential nominee, co-director of Empower America Steve Moore, senior fellow, Cato Institute Mike Murphy, Republican strategist Grover Norquist, president, Americans for Tax Reform Richard W. Rahn, senior fellow, the Discovery Institute

39 posted on 01/22/2006 9:43:36 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Tarantulas
Just because there are day labor centers at Home Depot stores in California doesn't mean Home Depot hires illegal aliens. It means that they spend money to give the illegals a place to gather where employers can come and hire them. This is actually an illegal act if Home Depot has reason to believe that some of the people they are aiding are in this country illegally. I wish the federal government would take action against Home Depot, but so far they haven't.

Home Depot neither owns nor operates the day labor site. They were required by the city to build it as a condition of getting their permits approved. The city owns and operates the center at a reported annual cost of $94,000.

40 posted on 01/22/2006 9:48:17 AM PST by Bob
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for showing the picture of the border as it really is. We can't shut this border down without a major effort by the military including concertina wire, minefields, watchtowers and dogs.

I, for one, don't want to see that happen. I think you shut off the spigot at the source: employers.

Send a few businessmen and society wives to jail for employing illegals. No exceptions, no excuses.

Then set up a tightly regulated bracero program.


41 posted on 01/22/2006 10:30:35 AM PST by wildbill
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To: TADSLOS; injin
The implication is that this film is the lastest proof but a careful reading says 2004.

This film was discussed at FR in 2004 and it hasn't changed.

42 posted on 01/22/2006 10:45:02 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
The article clearly states it was filmed in 2004. Why does the fact that it happened two years ago make any difference at all? Stop defending mexico at all costs it doesnt help you people.
43 posted on 01/22/2006 11:39:49 AM PST by mthom
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To: mthom
sir or madame , I am not defending Mexico . We should have taken it and kept it in the 1850's! I am merely saying that this is a weak film . I would love it if someone would get real good hi-rez indisputable footage , possibly also with NV or FLIR technology , of this behavior going on . Better yet I would like to see footage of a gang of motley Mexican soldiers being apprehended by a group of USMC Force Recon boys ,conveniently just there on maneuvers...Now that would be a good show !
44 posted on 01/22/2006 11:58:00 AM PST by injin
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To: mthom

Did you look at it?


45 posted on 01/22/2006 11:59:31 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: injin; mthom
sir or madame , I am not defending Mexico . We should have taken it and kept it in the 1850's! I am merely saying that this is a weak film . I would love it if someone would get real good hi-rez indisputable footage , possibly also with NV or FLIR technology , of this behavior going on . Better yet I would like to see footage of a gang of motley Mexican soldiers being apprehended by a group of USMC Force Recon boys ,conveniently just there on maneuvers...Now that would be a good show!

Agreed. This video does more to hurt the reputation of The Minutemen with the general public than it does to prove a point that most of us here fully acknowledge is a problem IMO. The Minutemen don't have to convince us, but they do need irrefutable documentation of border incursions. This video doesn't do it for me, so I can only imagine what any skeptic (ie...DHS Director)would conclude. I agree with the intent and attempt, just not with the final product in this case.

46 posted on 01/22/2006 12:15:42 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Mexicans good, Hatians bad.


47 posted on 01/22/2006 12:20:13 PM PST by Rebelbase (I love global warming in the winter.)
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To: Tarantulas

bump


48 posted on 01/22/2006 12:20:14 PM PST by lowbridge (All that is needed for evil to triumph is for "RINOS" to do something)
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To: TADSLOS

Why would you need "irrefutable documentation" of something that even the DHS skeptics admit has happened more than 200 times in the recent past?


49 posted on 01/22/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom
Why would you need "irrefutable documentation" of something that even the DHS skeptics admit has happened more than 200 times in the recent past?

This is why:

Chertoff Call Incursion Reports Overblown

Showing a video on nationwide TV that does not clearly show Mexican soldiers crossing the border is not helpful. It feeds into the very assertion that Chertoff claims.

50 posted on 01/22/2006 1:16:15 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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